Re: Frank Carmickle and Marco Paganini must die
On Monday 20 September 2004 08:38 am, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2004-09-20 08:05:05, schrieb John Goerzen:
> > On Sunday 19 September 2004 5:53 pm, Russell Coker wrote:
> > > > Please stop using this brain-dead blacklist.
> > >
> > > What is wrong with it? End-user machines should not send email
> > > directly, they should use the mail server from their ISP.
> > Why?
> > That makes no sense. Plenty ISP mail servers are poorly
> > configured.
> Yes, this is why SPAMers can not use it...
No, if they were *properly* configured, spammers couldn't use it.
> > Known to drop mail. Deliver mail too slowly to be useful. Force
> > users
> Yeah, droping all the SPAM
I'm talking from personal experience here. Some ISPs mail servers are
so bad that they drop legitimate mail all the time, or might take 2-3
days to deliver messages that should be delivered immediately.
> > to use their e-mail address from that ISP. Unreliable.
> Not right. Most ISP's allow sending with other E-Mails
But not all. What about the people stuck on those ISPs that don't?
What about people using laptops that work on all sorts of different
networks all the time?
> Good for SPAMers ?
> > Why are some nodes on the Internet more deserving than others? Why
> > do you discriminate against those with cheap Internet access? Why
> > is a T-1 user more deserving to exchange mail with you than a
> > dialup or DSL user?
> For SPAMers you will get them very quickly if they use T1/E1 or
> something like this, and they can be stoped bei RIPE for example.
> SPAMers from Dynamic IP's are different.
Not all dialup users are spammers. Most ISPs log which person has a
given IP at a particular time and it is trivial for them to track down
the culprit. It's not different at all.
> Now, we know, that most SPAM does not come directly from the ADSL-
> Account owner, because most of them are infected with Viruses which
> do the SPAMjob.
Perhaps so, but again, why punish the innocent?
> Most (97%) coming directly to my address firstname.lastname@example.org
> and around 80% of the SPAM is coming from DUL/DSL
What that doesn't measure is what percentage of legitimate mail comes
from computers on the DUL/DSL. I know of several people in Debian that
could fall under that category. Branden Robinson comes to mind
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