Re: The unofficial buildd effort and its shutdown - my POV
Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com> writes:
> Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
>
>>On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 11:40:20AM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Erm, running buildds and building doesn't make sense when you can't upload
>>>>the packages afterwards. If people shout that they don't like our uploads,
>>>> there's no need to explicitly tell us to stop the buildds.
>>>>
>>> I don't think every DD has the authority to ask such a thing and
>>> expect it to be acted upon.
>>> Shouldn't a specific request from a Debian Leader (whatever their
>>> title may be) be required before anything is shut down?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>No. Why should it?
>>
>>
> You are basing your actions on supposed requests from DDs to shut down
> your buildds. That's why the distinction matters. If people are
> questioning your motives, actions or intents, the best thing to do is
> allow others vouch for you.
I think the RMs opionion carries some weight in this matter and he was
the first saying to stop.
> IOW, you are giving authority to the DDs who complained instead of
> telling them "this is the way things are now, come up with a proposal
> that fixes everything and we'll take a look at it after the release".
But in general: Yes I would give any DD authority to stop the buildds
since it was another any DD starting them. Given two equaly strong
authorities stoping the buildds does less harm then letting them
run. It is theoption most easily reversed. After all its a matter of
minutes starting up the wanna-build again compared to auditing and
rebuilding tons of packages that are suddenly considered
untrustworthy.
>>But an official request by the DPL to turn them on again would help and
>> clarify the situation.
>>
> Congratulations, you have successfully created a situation when there
> need not have been one.
>
> You will always have complaining about security, tell them to put up
> or shut up and be done with it, not stopping a working system.
>
> Mike
Find someone with more (or equal) authority than an RM saying it is ok
to restart the buildds. Unless I am mistaken that would be an RM,
ftp-master or the Leader.
MfG
Goswin
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