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Re: Spam in the lists out of control

On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 03:26:22PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> You say that I put the onus on the receiver. You're right to some extent.
> But, call me naive, I believe in people (sometimes) helping each other when
> the intent is clear and not harmful for anybody.

By sending me a mail, asking me to prove that I'm not a spammer, you're
wasting my time, bandwidth, diskspace, and CPU cycles. How is that not
harmful? By sending out challenges, you're not better than any spammer
out there just because you don't intend to sell me anything, or because
your mail is "easily filtered". After all, there are more
challenge/response systems out there than just tmda, and my filter file
is long enough as it is that I don't want to add a gazillion rules for
each and every one of them.

> By that token, I would
> expect that you (or anyone else) who feels offended by the tmda challenges
> comes up and says "hey, dude, are the challenges necessary? Is there
> anything you can do so that I don't receive them?". Then the party
> generating the challenge would come back saying "sure, here is a set of
> procmail/maildrop/spamassassin/whatever filters that will make them
> disappear from your mailbox. Thanks". Instead, what we get is "Hey dude! Get
> the fuck lost with your spam! I don't care about your problems, get away,
> I've got my problems you prick! You're a spamming asshole, loser!"

As opposed to

"Hey dude, I don't want to waste my time on all these silly spam
messages. My spamfilter thinks you could possibly be a spammer, so you
should shut up and prove you're not, and waste your time instead of mine
in the process, or I won't talk to you, loser! Oh, and if you didn't
send that mail, I don't care, go away!"


Right. Got it.

> or something in that spirit. Now, that's a true cooperation spirit.

Oh, absolutely.

> I can imagine cooperating with the Debian tmda maintainer to provide
> the procmail, maildrop, spamassassin filters to deal with the tmda
> challenges, so that they are shipped with debian and people are
> educated about the need for them

There is none. When I get one of those challenges, they're dropped in my
=.spam.missed, where a cronjob picks them up and feeds them to sa-learn.
Works wonderfully.

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