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Re: Spam in the lists out of control



On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 12:26:53AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 07:32:22PM +0100, Neil McGovern scribbled:
> > On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 07:33:06PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 06:58:42PM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw scribbled:
> > > > > You send me a mail. My TMDA generates a response which is sent on _my_
> > > > > behalf. I think if you write me, you're expecting a response - how is that
> > > > > unsolicited?
> > > > 
> > > > You are missing the point.  I was talking about forged from-headers as
> > > > are frequently used by spammers and virusses.
> > >
> > > I have addressed your point in my response, please read it again.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think what Bas is meaning here is hat you cannot rely on the From
> > field to work out who sent you a message. If some spammer decides to use
> > my e-mail address as the From: recepient (and they do), I have not sent
> > you a mail, but would receive a response from yourself.
> > 
> challenge comes to you generated by somebody's mailer because it _thought_
> it was you who sent it, you can simply discard the challenge message
> automatically, causing no harm - since it is certain it wasn't you who sent
> the challenged message. 

The same reasoning can be used:
If someone spams you, simply discard the message.

> Therefore the argument that the TMDA challenges may be annoying can be
> dealt with using filtering. And the filters necessary to discard TMDA
> challenges should be much simpler and much more reliable than those
> which deal with spam. I hope it's clear what I meant now :)

This is, however, putting the onus on the receiver, not the sender, and
is equivilent to me sending you 3000 Vi*gra messages, and expecting you
to filter them.

Warm Regards,
Neil
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