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Re: Debian needs more buildds. It has offers. They aren't being accepted.

On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 03:32:56PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:

> > However working around a lagged and unresponsive port is a lot 
> > harder. 
> None of the ports are significantly lagged at the moment.

Other people do think different about that.

> > Apparently developers waiting for their packages or 
> > depencies compiled should just stfu and wait indefinetly until
> > the silent gods running the buildd have mercy upon you and compile
> > the package.
> They should help if they're able, work around the problem if they need
> to, or do other things.

And who judge who is able to help? And why? And what's the qualification of
that person to be able to judge about others?

> They shouldn't stir up trouble when there simply
> isn't a serious problem...

Aha? Starting a discussion is "stir up trouble"? Interesting. 
> > Just to make myself clear, most buildd maintainers do a spectacular
> > job, all my (mostly stupid) questions and requests have been handled
> > timely.
> ...as you point out.

I believe you missed the little word "timely" now or ignore the qt-x11-free
problem lately. Otherwise you should clarify your definition of "timely",

> One of the problems with not being a developer is that no matter how
> helpful you are, you don't get any particular say in how Debian's
> run. If your patches are rejected, or your suggestions are ignored,
> it's just tough luck. That changes a little when you're a developer;
> but Nathanael's got no one to blame for not being a developer but himself.

Have you asked him about his reason not applying as NM? When not, how can
you say he has no reason to blame? Have you asked me why I'm not a DD,
although many people tried to persuade me to become one?
> > I
> > dont remember you saying so, thats not the point. However, I believe
> > that is a good guideline, we shouldnt discriminate people just because
> > they are not DD.
> People who aren't developers have less experience working with Debian
> almost by definition:

Uh? That's obviously nonsense.

> there are a whole host of things you just can't
> do as a developer. Having people with known and unavoidable holes in
> their experience trying to make decisions for Debian is a bad thing,
> IMO, and something well worth discriminating against.

You're mixing facts and turn them around.

Ciao...              // 
      Ingo         \X/

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