Re: About NM and Next Release
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 05:29:54PM +0300, Halil Demirezen wrote:
> I am currently on NM process. And as far as I know, there have been
> totally over 700 developer of Debian officially.
>
> What I would like to point out here is, totally over the world claims
> that debian is being obsolete. New releases are so slow. Yes they are
> partially right. However, with 700 maintainers, Debian is slow. We would
> like to be a part of Debian through NM process. However, NM process
> cause a deeply undesireble emotions on applicants because of 2-3
> years wait duration. To me, opposing to the policies Debian is on
> progress to be a Mysterious box to the outside world.
>
> We believe we could be helpful. However, We are trying to be cut off
> from that project. Totally this is agaist prejudice on Policies.. and
> DFSG.
>
> Debian Maintainers are becoming too elite. However, outside world becoming
> more excluded. And Debian finally is becoming so obsolete.
Debian has had a very slow NM process for a very long time, it took over
a year for me to be processed when I became DD in July 2000. That was
before the new NM queue structure that is in place now. The only people
actually waiting that long now (aiui) are people James does not want in
the project at all. It would be good to get rid of their applications
entirely so that other prospective maintainers don't get the wrong idea
that it takes 2-3 years to be processed.
Also, it seems like most DD's don't maintain many packages anyway. Yes
there are other things that a DD can do other than just maintain
packages, like help with web translations, boot floppies, etc. But nearly
two thirds of the developers/sponsored developers maintain 4 sources or
less [0]. If even half of those 746 maintainers focused on helping close
RC bugs we would probably be close to releaseable today.
We don't need more people to throw at the problem, we need more people
willing to do work for the project.
Chris
[0]
http://www.debian.gr.jp/~kitame/maint.cgi?num=srcs&limit=1300&maint=
1226 Maintainers Total
480 - 4 61%
575 - 3 53%
719 - 2 41%
878 - 1 28%
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