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Re: Debian menu system update

On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 14:02, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Colin Walters <walters@debian.org> [030601 19:05]:
> > > Then please point to a documentation, how to overwrite the menus
> > > installed with the packages as admin or other things like this.
> > 
> > Basically you would edit the system .menu file, say
> > /etc/menus/applications.menu.
> > 
> > http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/menu/draft/menu-spec/menu-spec.html#MENU-FILE-FORMAT
> Does this mean there simply is no such documentation?

I think it's pretty clear how it should be done.  Once we adopt the
system, we can point system administrators to the relevant file in our
documentation, and give pointers to the file format.

> Currently the main database for window managers or fvwm-modules is the
> debian menu, as they are often selectable from a menu and there is no
> difference in handling them and normal items. 

Huh?  What "main database"?  Are you saying some window managers read
the Debian menu entries directly?  From looking at fvwm, this certainly
seems not to be the case.

> Do you suggest tweaking
> the .desktop files, to contain them, too?


> First of all because it is no menu entry, but a "desktop item". It
> contains all sort of things like Mime-types and the like. And compare
> the size of this file with /usr/share/doc/menu/html/ch3.html.

The file doesn't have to (and most often doesn't) contain many of those

> When I currently look in icewm-gnome, what is has in its KDE and Gnome
> menus compared to what it has in its debian menu, I really have to doubt
> that.

If your problem is with the default layout, again: it's only a
*default*.  We can and probably will change it.

> Because my argumentation is, that because of
>         a) most menu items will be written by us, as upstream has no

Many of my packages come with perfectly good menu entries from upstream.
And besides, as one of the prominent free software projects, Debian
should be leading the charge here.

>         b) many of the rest would need edit anyway

I completely disagree with "many", for reasons stated previously.

>         c) any one should really looked into if it has to.
> the
>         1) the old menu system no real overhead

Neither menu system takes much processing power, if that's what you're
referring to.

>  in b) and c)
> while the using .desktop-files as native format will cause
>         2) making a) much more complicated.

No, it will make things simpler, in addition to giving us useful
features like i18n.

> It is related. 

It is not.

> Heck, this specification even gives in the example the
> Icon as .png-file. While using .xpm-only for menus is really
> long-lasting standard, with no reason to stop this...

And now the "Ok, my pointless KDE and GNOME flame was obviously wrong,
so I'll try to troll about image formats instead" part.

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