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Re: Menu location for CD-R software?

On Thursday 13 February 2003 08:27, Matt Bonner wrote:
> Hi,
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> Recently, I finally decided to try burning CD's in Debian.  So I
> installed 4 or 5 of the CD recording software packages to see which
> one I liked best.
> Then I went to go find them in the KDE menus.  Results presented in
> the format  <menu> : <application menu name>

Firstly, a clarification: KDE use their own menu-system, while Debian also 
has a menu-system on its own. The 'Debian' menu-entries in the KDE menu are 
the ugly result of trying to get those two merried with each other.

> Applications :  CDBakeOven, KreateCD
> Debian->Apps->System : cdrtoaster, X-cd-roast
> Debian->Apps->Tools : KreateCD, cdbakeoven
> Multimedia : nothing
> Utilities->Debian : KreateCD, cdbakeoven
So, for KDE, you have in truth

While in the Debian menus you have rather[1]

So far, KDE lacks entries for xcdroast and cdrtoaster, which are afaik both 
non-KDE apps. Their lack is thus not a big surprise and one could even argue 
if they should have these entries.

For the Debian menus, half of the apps went to 'system' and the other to 
'tools'. Since I'd rather expect apps that directly relate to the system to 
be found in that entry (configurators, package/user/process managers) I'd say 
the others are better. However, without looking at a few guidelines about how 
to sort one's packages which are probably written for the menu-system, I'd 
not judge these prematurely.

> This seems somewhat counter-intuitive to me, and probably the sort
> of issue worth resolving as part of getting more serious about Linux
> on the desktop.  I don't see anything relevant in the menu sub-policy
> (yes, I actually looked for and found such a thing--good on you for
> having it), and I can easily understand making a distinction between
> "system" cd-burning software for backups and "multimedia" software
> for making audio or video CD's or DVD's.  But if that was the idea
> here, I don't understand.

I think that the word 'multimedia' will never be seen in the Debian 
menu-system because this word severely sucks in the attempt to have a meaning:
- media is plural, why the 'multi' ?
- what does it even mean in the common language ?
- even more, burning audio-CDs is definitively not 'multi' (even though the 
CDs are multiplied...) !

So, finally, how about filing patches [attached] for cdrtoaster's and 
xcdroast's menu-entries ?

Ulrich Eckhardt

[1]: this can't be displayed rightly like this, because Debian's menu uses 
some Deep Magic(tm) to make new groups when there are enough members for it 
or dissolve them if they would be too emtpy. See the docs.
?package(cdrtoaster):needs=X11 command="/usr/bin/cdrtoaster" \
		section="Apps/Tools" title="Cdrtoaster"

?package(xcdroast):command="/usr/bin/xcdroast" \
		icon="/usr/share/pixmaps/xcdricon.xpm" needs=X11 \
		section="Apps/Tools" title="X cd-roast"

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