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Re: Bug#176267: ITP: mplayer -- Mplayer is a full-featured audioand video player for UN*X like systems

Le dim 26/01/2003 à 21:53, Gabucino a écrit :
> Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > > This is not legal, at least when there the software includes some GPL
> > > > code.
> > > So free speech is not legal?
> > Do you know what "copyright" means ?
> I'll ask again: is free speech illegal?

When you take someone else's speech, *YES*.

> Next time you'll be telling us that runtime cpudetection is worse than
> distributing many binaries.

That's what you have been telling everyone for years. Now you do runtime
detection, will you forget that ?

> > Some of those works are GPL, aren't they ? Then you cannot randomly
> > forbid binary redistribution of derived works from them.
> So very true. _We_ don't forbid it. The GPL forbids it. See?

Yes, the authors of these pieces of code forbid it by using the GPL. So
you are going against their wills and violating their copyright.

> Here you go: if we behaved like Debian developers, we _wouldn't have opened_
> the code, because its legality was "questionable". The code not being open,
> no users gained, no developers gained, development goes with the speed of
> an XFree86 compilation... You would be using Qt and avifile now. Rocks? ;P

Now you haven't got further. The legality of mplayer is still
questionable, while that of many other players is not. Most
distributions will just stick to the legal ones, which are the ones
gaining users and thus developers. See e.g. the progress of xine and its
interfaces for the latest months.

> > Because having new software in Debian is good.
> (huh. Just deleted a sentence, evading my crucifiction:) Try changing the
> order of words in your sentence:)))

Thank you. Your pretentiousness just convinced me to remove the mplayer
binaries on my system.

> > Mplayer has unique features some people want to see in Debian, but if the
> > legal status is still unclear, it just won't be done. Full stop.
> Cool, at least we won't have to listen to the bugreports of binary package
> users.

Then when no one reports those bugs, they don't exist ? I'm very afraid
regarding the long-term quality of your software.

> > If you are fine with it, well, good for you. Really. Then why are you
> > here ?
> <clap-clap>
> In my very first mail I wrote _just this_, thanks for reading it...
> I'm here for Marillat.

Marillat's address is marillat@debian.org, not
debian-devel@lists.debian.org. Maybe there is a problem with your mail
user agent (or, more likely, with the chair/keyboard interface).

> > Then you are just a fucking elitist.
> Unfortunately not, I only want to be :)

Let me hearten you : you are completely successful at that.
 .''`.           Josselin Mouette        /\./\
: :' :           josselin.mouette@ens-lyon.org
`. `'                        joss@debian.org
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