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Re: Discussion - non-free software removal

On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 10:21:30PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <branden@debian.org> writes:
>  Branden> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 10:48:21PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>  >> If you find a place for all he non-free software, and thus
>  >> make your statement actually true; (instead of a mere sophist device
>  >> to gloss over the problems), things shall be different. 
>  Branden> Why not let "the market" sort it out?
> 	Because free market has selected for microsoft, so I am not
>  sure it is a great model for Debian. (I know it is a cheap shot ;-)

The free market did not select for Microsoft.  Microsoft manipulated
the market to achieve dominance.  Much evidence in support of this
thesis was presented in Judge Jackson's findings of fact.

Is it your contention that there is a monopolist at work in the
environment under discussion?

>  Branden> Those non-free packages deserving of a home will find one.
>  Branden> If there is sufficient demand for an index of non-free
>  Branden> .debs, someone will create one.  Possibly as a
>  Branden> subscription-based update service.  :)
> 	Well, cause I still firmly believe in the ``our users'' part
>  of the social contract.

...which implies that people who support the GR don't.  It is at the
very least impolite to make such assertions about one's opposition on a
political question.

>  Even users committed to free software need
>  some of these packages; I want to make Debian a comfortable home for
>  them. And I firmnly believe that in time, when mopre and more people
>  come into the fold, we can all wean ourseves of the diminishing list
>  of such non free packages.
> 	All things in their time.

The evidence is against this; the number of non-free packages in Debian
has increased, not decreased, over the past few years.

G. Branden Robinson                |    It's like I have a shotgun in my
Debian GNU/Linux                   |    mouth, I've got my finger on the
branden@debian.org                 |    trigger, and I like the taste of
http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |    the gunmetal. -- Robert Downey, Jr.

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