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Re: is Debian an anarchist organization/project?



Hi,

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:07:54AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:45:33AM +0100, Emile van Bergen wrote:
> >>mineral resources, agricultural land, etc.  Disorganized people can't 
> >>stand against a modern army.  Therefore every country needs an army.
> >
> >This is getting rapidly off-topic, but that is also a good counter-
> >argument against the anarchistic notion that 'the people interested
> >enough in wellfare will pay for it'. 
> 
> Not really.  Under anarchism, the means of production would be in the
> hands of the people.  So if they didn't have food to eat it would most
> likely be their own fault for not working, in which case let them
> starve.  

Ah, yes, the ethics of the jungle. I'm personally not in favour of that.

> If each person has the weaponry to take out 10 other people, people will
> be pretty polite to each other.

Again, that's just the right of the strongest. Everybody defends himself
with his own weapons. I don't think that builds a good society.

> No. Quotes from the framers demonstrate that they purposely didn't want
> the government to protect against private concentrations of power; you
> see, the framers were quite wealthy men in their own right.  By their
> own words, they wanted the government to "defend property".  They were
> scared that the poor dirt farmers who couldn't get enough credit to be a
> few more hogs and cattle to get their farm really booming were jealous
> of the huge landowners who were working their lands with slaves.

So tell me then, how would an anarchist society defend itself against
a few hundred people teaming up to excercise power over their neighbors,
with their weapons that each can take out ten people each, as you say? I
think you'd have one continuous civil war over the resources that /are/
scarce.

Cheers,


Emile.

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