Re: Clarification
[ Really, I'm trying not reading these threads but when someone
blatantly disregards netiquette by forwarding a private reply
verbatim to a public mailing list and then proceeds to confuse
things... sigh ]
[ P.S. -devel and -private? Ryan was right... ]
Taral <taral@taral.net> writes:
> When no reply was forthcoming after a day,
[a whole day? is that my required response time now?]
> As for the allegation that he missed it because he wasn't at his
> keyboard -- I would love to know how he managed to type at his
> keyboard and yet not be there...
Mmkay, I think you're still confused. I posted my mail to
debian-private and when I saw the post had come through, decided I'd
be better of doing something, anything else, abandoned my laptop and
didn't come back to it the next morning. In the meantime, you msg'ed
me, decided I was ignoring you and started calling me rude etc.[1]
That's what I was referring to and I think you'll be hard pressed to
show I was typing at a keyboard I was nowhere near.
> In the process, I talked to a few people about possibly getting added to
> keyring-maint. I also had a private discussion with someone (I don't
> remember who) where I relayed my feelings that I was being ignored.
> Apparently this got back to James somehow.
Err, no, I think you're still confused. On Monday, at 13:26 (-0500)
[<20020916182650.GB11949@taral.net>], you sent mail to debian-admin@,
stating:
| "Okay, so I'm going to be batching updates to the keyring. Can someone
| add me to the keyring-maint alias?"
You then emailed me at 13:31 [<20020916183109.GE11949@taral.net>], and
made no mention of the fact that you'd asked DSA to arbitrarily add
you to keyring-maint.
> After James posted his large email attempting to placate the mob, I
> noticed that one of the problems he alluded to was the lack of
> infrastructure.
Err, just how confused are you? You said on irc that I had said that
infrastructure was the ``REAL'' problem (IIRC, I have no logs to hand,
as I wasn't IRC-ing from this laptop). As I and others told you,
that's not what I said at all. Now you're saying the _lack_ of
infrastructure is just one of the problems? For christ's sake, why
don't you trying _reading_ my post with your brain turned on? I said
there are infrastructure _problems_. You can't have problems with an
infrastructure if it doesn't exist. I also referenced a major piece
of that infrastructure (Brendan's keyring server) in the post.
--
James
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[1] A full unabridged log is available at http://people.debian.org/~troup/irc_log
[ I post my mail to debian-private ]
| Sep 18 22:57:59 <drow> elmo: Well said (and that's all I have or have had to say on the subject :)
[...I notice the post has gone through to -private and abandon the laptop...]
| Sep 18 23:03:49 <Taral> elmo is awake?
| Sep 18 23:04:04 [msg]<Taral> did you get my msg?
[...]
| Sep 18 23:24:53 <Taral> *sigh*
| Sep 18 23:25:08 <Taral> hopefully I'll get a response out of James once the keyring-maint thread dies out.
| Sep 18 23:25:39 <Taral> if anyone actually is of sufficient status that he doesn't ignore them, maybe they could inform him that I'm TRYING to be helpful, and that ignoring me isn't particularly kind?
[...]
| Sep 18 23:28:08 <Taral> I don't care if he ignores the people who ask him to "fix it", or the flamewars on the lists
| Sep 18 23:28:18 <Taral> But when someone says "I want to help", to say NOTHING is just rude.
| Sep 18 23:28:28 <Taral> At the very least he could have said "I'm sorry, I can't use your help"
| Sep 18 23:28:42 <eigood> it doesn't mean rude
| Sep 18 23:28:47 <eigood> it means they missed your mail
| Sep 18 23:28:54 <Taral> No, he didn't miss my private messages on IRC.
| Sep 18 23:29:04 <Taral> Those were ignored.
[...]
| Sep 19 01:12:09 <-- Taral has quit (Quit: ircII EPIC4-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet?)
[ ... Next morning ... ]
| Sep 19 11:03:12 <elmo_home> Oskuro: Cabal Termination Leader
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