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Re: (Possible) menu code rewrite

On Jul 16, Joseph Carter wrote:
> I've got a concern which I've raised before, however, about things which
> the Debian menu supports which are not found in Gnome or KDE.  Primarily
> of interest are that console-only applications are not supported, and
> neither are menu hints.  I can live without the latter if we coordinate
> things sanely so that the menus do not get overly large as they do
> currently with a million things in /Apps/Net and /Apps/Tools.  The former
> can be handled by adding an X-Debian-ConsoleOnly key to the .desktop
> format, but if we do this we need to patch everything that currently uses
> .desktop files (Gnome and KDE primarily) to support them.
> A better suggestion would be to coordinate this effort with the xdg list
> and make a ConsoleOnly key standard.  I'm told the xdg guys will be much
> more inclined to consider such a thing knowing that Debian wants to use
> the .desktop files for distribution-wide menus..

I agree we need to figure out something that will accomodate all of
the existing functionality.  I'm signing up for xdg-list and will
review the .desktop entry specification at

> I've got one other suggestion for addition to the format, really.  More
> useful than a hint about where to put a menu entry is whether or not you
> should show it at all, based on the sort of user you're dealing with.  A
> user who is very technically astute would probably find it useful having
> the Gnome calculator sitting there in the menu right next to entries which
> run bc or dc in a terminal window..  My mom would not, however.  This is a
> problem with the Debian menus, and even to some extent an upstream Gnome
> and KDE problem - both desktops have tools which are not for the unwashed
> masses who don't know what they do.

Yes, though I'm not sure how this should be handled.
Perhaps X-Expertise-Level=(novice|intermediate|advanced)

> Regarding compatibility with old menu files and methods, suggest you read
> the old files when a .desktop is not available.  Get the .desktop
> formalised into policy and start phasing out the old menu..  This is also
> beneficial for FHS compliance, so it's good to get started soon.

Not sure how this relates to the FHS, exactly...

Chris Lawrence <chris@lordsutch.com> - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/

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