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Re: hurd does NOT need /hurd

On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 06:33:47PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> "Firewalling" on a single host is mostly a way to cheaply fix a bunch
> of problems rather than fixing them one at a time.  It's not
> inherently necessary if the other things don't already have gobs of
> bugs.


Stop talking. Stop thinking if you have to. Listen to what I'm saying.
Read what I'm writing. Do not reply to this message -- or on this topic --
for 48 hours. Stop and think about it.

I know very well what firewalling is. Hello, I've maintained netbase for,
what, three years now. I'm not remotely the world's foremost expert on
it, but *I get it*. Stop trying to explain it to me and *listen*.

Let me spell it out in simple terms.

Firewalling tools are provided with the Debian system.

Firewalling tools are not available for Debian GNU/Hurd.

Debian GNU/Hurd will not be released until they are available.

> In any case, none of this is anywhere near the most important
> obstacles keeping the Hurd from Prime Time.  Way, way, way down on the
> list.

Well, if you're not interested in being told about the things you'll
need to do that you're not already aware of, I guess that's fine.

> > Because I'm not talking about defaults. Nor am I talking about things that
> > everyone will be compelled to use. I'm talking about features that *must*
> > be made available for me to be able to look someone in the eye and say
> > "Yes, Debian GNU/Hurd 3.1 is ready for your use."
> I think that depends on who the "you" is that you are talking to, and
> it's misguided to think the answer must be the same for everyone.

Think for just a minute whose role in Debian it is to look the world in
the eye and say "Yes, Debian GNU/Hurd 3.1 is ready for your use."


Anthony Towns <aj@humbug.org.au> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/>
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