Re: where do NEW packages go?
>>"Wolfgang" == Wolfgang Jährling <wolfgang@pro-linux.de> writes:
Wolfgang> Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org> wrote:
>> hurd does not exist alone in the universe, it exists alongside debian.
Wolfgang> True. But for most people in Debian, the Hurd doesn't exist
Wolfgang> at all and they "don't feel like caring about the
Wolfgang> Hurd". That is not only my subjective impression, but also
Wolfgang> what Debian developers said in the past (and some did
Wolfgang> behave accordingly). I would love to see the Hurd people
Wolfgang> and Debian people cooperate, but like Jeroen (and others as
Wolfgang> well), I have given up any hope and don't think that Debian
Wolfgang> will ever change in the necessary ways, as we were even
Wolfgang> told by people that they are unwilling to understand the
Wolfgang> Hurd-related issues.
I also note that both the people complaining are not part of
Debian (not that there is not a problem). Part if the issue here is
understanding how debian works; I personally do not know (and do not
care) what a debian developer maintains.
But any technical change, whether it is related to the HURD,
to X, or how init scripts work, needs a certain process in order to
be implemented: amongst other things, one needs to have a technical
design (marcus has done most of that); there has to be working code,
perhaps with test cases, and then one needs to work with the people
in charge of the infrastructure to roll out the changes.
This requires some knowledge of how Debian infrastructure
works, and also the ability to convince people of the merits of the
solution (working code goes a hell of a long way to adding
credibility).
Complaining loudly on the mailing lists just gets one ignored.
Wolfgang> Putting people like Jeroen who complain about these things
Wolfgang> in your killfile won't help, and even indicates that what I
Wolfgang> wrote above is true: Debian people prefer to ignore these
Wolfgang> issues.
Yep, we do tend to ignore mere talk and vapurware. This is as
it should be. In any sizeable group of people, there are protocols
on how to interact with people and get things working.
Wolfgang> Or do you think there are no problems at all and we
Wolfgang> are just whining?
Both; there are problems, and you are just whining.
Wolfgang> I can assure you that this is not the
Wolfgang> case. And while I understand that Debian has enough
Wolfgang> problems on its own, I think that something needs to be
Wolfgang> done with respect to the Hurd port, and I feel that this
Wolfgang> would be in the interest of everyone involved.
You are belabouring the obvious.
Wolfgang> BTW, I planned to become a Debian developer a while ago,
Wolfgang> but for reasons similar to Jeroens, I have changed my
Wolfgang> opinion on that. I hope that others can keep their optimism
Wolfgang> longer than we could and will actually be able to improve
Wolfgang> Debian, but I doubt it. I rather expect that the Debian
Wolfgang> GNU/*BSD people will feel similar like most of us do right
Wolfgang> now. I hope that I'm wrong. :-/
Then you are just wasting my time.
manoj
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