Re: debian-devel-digest Digest V102 #247
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>Today's Topics:
> Re: diversion/conffile [ Josselin Mouette <josselin.mouette@ ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> ]
> Re: diversion/conffile [ martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.ne ]
> Re: diversion/conffile [ Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> ]
> Re: diversion/conffile [ Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org> ]
> two porting issues, gperiodic and gf [ Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@de ]
> Re: Missing charsets in FontSet crea [ Andreas Rottmann <a.rottmann@gmx.at ]
> Re: diversion/conffile [ martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.ne ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.cx> ]
> Re: [2002-02-16] Release Status Upda [ Tollef Fog Heen <tollef@add.no> ]
> Re: diversion/conffile [ Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org> ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@de ]
> Re: two porting issues, gperiodic an [ Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org ]
> Bug#134621: ITP: libphp-phplot -- PH [ "Jeremy T. Bouse" <jbouse@debian.or ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de> ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ David B Harris <eelf@sympatico.ca> ]
> Re: Trying to rebuild all of Debian [ Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@sva ]
> Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower [ Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@de ]
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>Date: 18 Feb 2002 20:32:58 +0100
>From: Josselin Mouette <josselin.mouette@ens-lyon.org>
>To: debian developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
>Subject: Re: diversion/conffile
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>le lun 18-02-2002 =E0 19:57, Adam Heath a =E9crit :
>> > how else should i proceed? not marking as conffile will probably
>> > result in an error as i am trying to overwrite a file in another
>> > package.
>>=20
>> You can not divert conffiles. I've tried. And I am a dpkg devloper.
>At least, the linuxlogo package diverts /etc/issue from base-files, and
>it seems to work properly.
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>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:22:02 +0100
>From: Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower than time.
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>Wichert Akkerman wrote on Sun Feb 17, 2002 um 07:16:59PM:
>> > should they have to wait for a new release? Everyone's got a pet
>> > project, and they can't (shouldn't) all hold up every release...
>>
>> I suspect all my packages handle unicode :)
>Oh, when you mention unicode: is there a way to tell VIM to change
>another GUI font depending on the charset (LC_CTYPE)? I could imagine a
>hack in vimrc, but is there a way to check the return status of "set
>guifont"?
>Gruss/Regards,
>Eduard.
>--
>"640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981
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>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:45:31 +0100
>From: Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: Debian doesn't have to be slower than time.
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>Marco d'Itri wrote on Mon Feb 18, 2002 um 01:40:45PM:
>> Please do not confuse i18n and l10n with unicode support.
>> The reality is that most users do not need unicode support and cannot
>> use it as their native encoding because doing this would fuck up
>> communications with other people still using a local charset as their
>> native encoding.
>a) Most users use more-or-less up-to-date versions of MicroShit Outlook
>(Express), so they can read unicode.
>b) Good MUAs like mutt can be configured to try to recode the message
>into a native charset and only use unicode if no NLS charset was
>useable.
>> And forcing it to be a release goal would be just stupid, unless you
>> plan to do the all the work needed to make all programs support it
>> correctly without breaking other things.
>This is a good goal, but not easy to be realized. Though we should look
>how to prepare Debian for this, since other OS are already going this
>way. I suggest following steps:
>In Woody+1:
> - All not-localised programms must not break on UTF8
> - Allready localised programs must handle from/to unicode conversion
> transparently. This does not cover correct internal data processing,
> just user interaction.
>In Woody+2:
> - Programs must process data correctly (almost working example: mutt)
> and provide transient solutions
> - Programs must switch the settings relative to used charset
> - using UTF8 as the default charset
>Question:
> - is it possible to use a normal Linux console (without framebuffer or
> other crapy slow solutions) and a customised subset of Unicode as
> character map? I mean: I need only 128bit ASCII, few chars from
> iso-8859-15 and about 60 chars from koi8 charset. All this should fit
> in 255 chars.
>Gruss/Regards,
>Eduard.
>--
>"Und deshalb sollte man ja auch immer _alle_ Editoren installieren: XEmacs
>_und_ Vim." -- Sven Guckes
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>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:39:02 +0100
>From: martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net>
>To: debian developers <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
>Subject: Re: diversion/conffile
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>also sprach Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org> [2002.02.18.1957 +0100]:
>> You can not divert conffiles. I've tried. And I am a dpkg
>> devloper.
>okay, so instead of installing the file via debian/rules, i have the
>option to do postinst. however, then i can't mark it a conffile
>because dpkg-bu
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