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>debian-devel-digest Digest				Volume 102 : Issue 145

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>Today's Topics:
>  Re: debian on distrowatch             [ Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.cx> ]
>  Re: Debian Password Manager           [ "Chad C. Walstrom" <chewie@wookimus ]
>  [OT] libtool .la files have absolute  [ Gerhard Muntingh <gerhardm@muntingh ]
>  Re: debian on distrowatch             [ Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> ]
>  Re: Debian Password Manager           [ Andreas Rottmann <a.rottmann@gmx.at ]
>  Re: Debian Password Manager           [ Scott Henson <shenson2@wvu.edu> ]
>  Relocatable packages ([OT] libtool .  [ Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org> ]
>  Re: It's Huntin' Season               [ Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org> ]
>  Re: debian is slower than time (was:  [ Steve Langasek <vorlon@netexpress.n ]
>  State of debianutils                  [ Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@debian.org> ]


>Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:00:54 +0100
>From: Jeroen Dekkers <jeroen@dekkers.cx>
>To: Michael Stroucken <stroucki@master.debian.org>
>Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: debian on distrowatch
>Message-ID: <[🔎] 20020129210054.GA2895@celeron.dekkers>
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>On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 01:55:19PM -0600, Michael Stroucken wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 05:02:41PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 06:54:26PM -0600, Michael Stroucken wrote:
>> > > If tpc.int can get the int domain for their worldwide fax network, why
>> > > can't debian?
>> > To quote from http://www.isi.edu/div7/int/:
>> >=20
>> > "To register in the INT domain, the applicant must comply with the
>> > requirements found in RFC 1591. In brief, the INT domain is used only
>> > for registering organizations established by international treaties
>> > between governments or Internet infrastructure databases (for example
>> > to do address to name lookups based on NSAPs)."
>> 	I am familiar with that text. tpc.int is another volunteer project,
>> however, and they registered their domain after the rfc had been released.

>I did some research, I hope I'm not telling things you already. The
>tcp.int subdomain is specified in RFC 1528, 1529 and 1520. The meaning
>of the tcp.int domain is standardized by the IETF. I.e.=20
> has some special meaning. I think that's
>the reason they are able to have that domain.

>=46rom the http://www.itu.int/net/int/int-policy-09.htm document:
>"The .INT domain is NOT intended for non-governmental (e.g., NGOs),
>commercial, or private organizations even if they may have an
>international character."

>I see debian as a private organization with an international
>character, so I don't think we will ever get an .INT domain. But
>what's wrong with debian.org? .ORG is also international.

>Jeroen Dekkers
>Jabber supporter - http://www.jabber.org Jabber ID: jdekkers@jabber.org
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>IRC: jeroen@openprojects

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>Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:03:56 -0600
>From: "Chad C. Walstrom" <chewie@wookimus.net>
>To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: Debian Password Manager
>Message-ID: <[🔎] 20020129210356.GB30245@wookimus.net>
>Keywords: debian password manager, naming software
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>I'm not against naming software for Debian, but I question the motive
>and appropriateness.  What is distribution specific about your proposed
>password manager?  Why is it important to have that specific component?

>dpkg makes sense, since it is a distribution specific tool.  debhelper
>makes sense, since it is a tool for maintaining *.deb's. =20

>So, let us know why this tool is Debian specific and why it should not
>be a general tool for other distributions?

>Chad Walstrom <chewie@wookimus.net>                 | a.k.a. ^chewie
>http://www.wookimus.net/                            | s.k.a. gunnarr
>Get my public key, ICQ#, etc. $(mailx -s 'get info' chewie@wookimus.net)

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>Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:10:15 +0100
>From: Gerhard Muntingh <gerhardm@muntingh.tmfweb.nl>
>To: Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org>
>Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>Subject: [OT] libtool .la files have absolute path's in them
>Message-ID: <[🔎] 20020129191015.GA493@muntingh.tmfweb.nl>
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>On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 05:42:35PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
>> > installed.  I see quite a number of them in /usr/lib.  (Look at it; note
>> > that it has information about how the library is going to be installed,
>> > etc; it's not meant to be installed itself.)


>> An ever increasing number of packages are using libtool to do their linking.
>> The latest GNU libtools (>= 1.3a) can take advantage of the metadata in the
>> installed libtool archive files (*.la files). The main advantage of
>> libtool's .la files is that it allows libtool to store and subsequently
>> access metadata with respect to the libraries it builds. libtool will search
>> for those files, which contain a lot of useful information about a library
>> (such as library dependency information for static linking). Also, they're
>> essential for programs using libltdl.[38]
>> Packages that use libtool to create shared libraries should include the .la
>> files in the -dev package, unless the package relies on libtool's libltdl
>> library, in which case the .la files must go in the run-time library
>> package.

>well I really don't like all the absolute paths in the .la files.
>I think all installed files should be location independent.

>RPM has locationindependant pkg's and Debian doesn't.  I find this a
>great disadvantage.  It would make transitions (like /usr/doc ->
>/usr/share/doc) and local mods much easier.  

>(btw: Ofcourse I agree with .la files being installed.)

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