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Re: Bug#129604: general: Social Contract: We Do Hide Problems

On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 02:34, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> 	You are missing the point below.  You are in no condition to
>  assess the readiness of my backup security plans. Or are you assuming
>  your customers are incompetent morons? No one but me can actually
>  assess what usae I can make of the information provided. 

True, I can't know if you're competent enough to handle the
responsibility of securing your barn - which is, mind you, *your*
responsibility. The locksmith who made the lock you're using has clearly
stated (as I already mentioned in another post to this thread) that
there is no warranty for the lock. He has a reputation of making good
locks, and a reputation of fixing problems within a reasonable
time-frame - however, this is a service he provides because he's a good
locksmith, not because there is a common rule that says he must do so.

You also have no agreement with him that says he promises to make
available all information about his products as soon as he receives it.

>  Fabian> Sure, you can use those... If the chain isn't completely
>  Fabian> rusty...
> 	How do *YOU* know about the status of _my_ chain?
>  Fabian>  and the dogs like some raw beef the thieves might
>  Fabian> bring along...
> 	I know my dogs. I trust my dogs. I sure as hell no longer
>  trust you ...
>  Fabian> and you don't run outta ammo...
> 	Hell, if my 10cases of ammo and my cell phone to the sherriff
>  aint enough to phase the crooks, you sure as hell don't have a
>  solution to stop 'em either. 
> 	Sounds like you are stretching things mighty thin just to keep
>  in busies.

I'm not saying I know anything about those things. I'm just saying you
bought the lock because you probably thought it was a better solution
than the chain, the dogs, or the rifle.
If you don't trust the locksmith, you sure as hell shouldn't use his

>  Fabian> Sorry, man, he's using the same lock mechanism as I am, just
>  Fabian> as buggy.
> 	Says you. You know all the locksmiths there are in town? You
>  know about my nephew who is doing his masters in locksmithing? You
>  know I can switch from using the parn door to using a portcullis? I
>  casn get anti-theft monitorig service? That I can sleep in the barn?

You had better. The way you sound, I'm starting to think there might be
a real reason for someone to break into the barn just to piss you off.

> 	Who gave you the right to assume risks for my business?

I did not. I simply stated - in accordance with your wishes to receive
as much information as possible about security issues of the lock - that
you should know there isn't a lock of this particular model (say, the
"flatland" model) that doesn't have this security flaw. You must assess
the risk yourself.

> 	Yeah right. If I were a thief, I would have a few people
>  apprentice with the locksmiths -- that way I know way before the
>  suvkers^H^H^H^Hfarmers about how to open locks.

Are you saying there is someone who has access to
non-disclosure-before-fix information that knowingly spreads the
information to black hats? If you have proof of this, it would be
interesting to see it.

> 	I see me and betsy have more places to visit. Indeed, perhaps
>  I ought to get a lawyer and see about this conspiracy to defraud
>  honest farmers by all themm locksmiths out there.

Perhaps you should get out of the farming business and start a locksmith
business instead. Only... You'd need to protect yourself from raving
farmers who claim your lock was the reason their cattle was stolen, and
try to make you pay.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I won't tell you everything about the
flaws in my locks. I'm just saying, give me some time so I can figure
out what's really wrong before I go shouting wolf. In the meantime, do
find yourself a good lawyer and take him with you to talk to an
insurance company, and get a good insurance against fires, floods and
theft. That way, there's no reason to give yourself an ulcer and a
neurosis trying to figure out who is responsible and who is part of the
conspiracy. There's no conspiracy, and the responsibility is yours.


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