Re: apache2: clearing the air [please read]
On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 08:55:32PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Joey Hess wrote:
> > No, if it can't be automated, it can't be automated, and admins will
> > have to do it by hand. The fact remains that a *lot* of admins are
> > eventually going to want to upgrade to apache2, and the upgrade path
> > should be as painless as possible.
> > If it already requires manual config file conversion, then stacking
> > vhosting changes and default web document root changes on top of that is
> > beginning to ask a heck of a lot from the admin. If we make it too hard
> > we will just get a lot of admins swearing, compiling the new version of
> > apache from sources, and losing faith in debian.
> What you describe exactly happened here:
> after the x-th upgrade that broke my running apache config and a lot of
> swearing (mind you again, our setup here is very simple and differs only
> minimally from the default) I first thought about moving on to compiling
> apache from source - apache-toolbox would've helped - but I didn't have
> the time so I just stopped upgrading apache unless I was *forced* to do
> it. I don't know about others.
> (Which is not to say that I didn't appreciate netgod's effort, he just
> couldn't keep up.)
> > And I'm concerned that the focus of these apache2 packages that
> > have been produced is not such upgrades, and that the people who have
> > worked on them have seemed to entirely disregrade that problem in the
> > mail at the head of this thread.
> Your concern may be valid - you have to check with them.
As I have repeated quite a few times, it wasn't my main concern. I can't
speak for Thom. My ideal path would be apache->apache and new apache2
install, side-by-side, a2 on a different port->customise your
config->apache2. Consider that upstream is still alpha (maybe beta if
they can all agree for the first time since about April), so you're not
too likely to be migrating production yet.
Daniel Stone <firstname.lastname@example.org>
<aiel> Ep - irix 4.X is like sco on a drug cocktail (tm) xL