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Re: NM frustrations...

On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 03:00:17PM -0500, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 10:11:41AM +0100, Nils Lohner wrote:
> > 
> > Please remember we're all volunteers and (re)act appropriately.
> > 
> Sure, the DAM is a volunteer.  He volunteered to take on the
> responsibility of managing Debian developer accounts.  He is not being
> very effective at handling this responsibility.  Take a look at some of
> the statistics at http://nm.debian.org.  On average people must wait
> over 30 days for their accounts to be created.  

Sorry, but as far as I can see it, the last discussion about this topic
concluded that it is _not_ only the job of the DAM to "create accounts".
He must judge wether the upcoming DD is well suited for this. The AM
reports help him greatly in this descision, but at the end it's he who
has to judge.

I do agree though, that NMs should be somehow able to look up their
status, and find out, wether the application is being processed by the
DAM or wether the NM got set on "hold" by the DAM.

> effort in Debian (one of my packages is part of this).  I have taken
> part in discussions of various mailing lists.  I *am* helping.  But
> watching other people fly past me in the DAM queue is *very*
> frustrating.  

Obviously, the NM queue is not a FIFO. This is sad for the NMs but may
sometimes be good for the project as a whole. I bet, if you state that
you plan to work on Woody's boot-floppies, you'll have your account
before the weekend ;-)

Not really related to this thread but the subject as a whole:

IANADD and I don't plan to become one in the near future due to my lack
of programming skills. But only until recently I found out that there is
no difference between a "Maintainer" and a "Debian Developer". As I
started using Debian somewhere around Bo, I wasn't too interested in the
project itself and I read -devel only for half a year now, but I always
thought that most of the package Maintainers were just "Maintainers"
while a few (working on Debian stuff like dpkg, apt, lintian,
boot-floppies, bts ...) are "Developers".
I don't try to devide the Developers (again), but why doesn't everybody
just gets the possibilities to upload their stuff and only when it is
really needed get access to machines? This would be the way I thought it 
was before the discussion started here. 
the NM-process could be speeded up somehow, because evil Maintainers are 
not _that_ dangerous to the project as evil Developers. Of course, all 
the new Maintainers would cry out loud for not having access to all the
stuff the "senior Developers" have, so I guess it wouldn't work.

just my 0.02DM


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