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Re: calling Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> [the long version]

On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Craig Sanders wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 03, 1999 at 01:24:53AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
> > Until then, you should realize that some of us don't have money for
> > the bigger and better ISPs.  When it comes right down to it, we have
> > what we have because it's all we can get.
> oh, quit yer whining. sharing the costs with a dozen or so friends, it
> costs bugger all to set up a machine on a static IP here in australia
> and internet connection charges here are ridiculously high.  
> club together with a bunch of other people and run your own bloody
> server on a static IP...just make sure it's secure against 3rd party
> relaying and you'll have no problems (use ssh or uucp or something to
> get mail securely from your system and onto your mail server).

Here in the US (at least here in Tallahassee) Sprint will sell you half a
T1 for around $500 per month with a $1500 installation fee. This doesn't
include the (currently unknown) cost of the SPRINT supplied router, and
the rent on the address space your subnet will occupy. Current estimates
(I am involved in several attempts to do just what you are suggesting) say
$1500 per month and maybe $5,000 in start up costs.

So you're saying that, instead of a commercial vendor's services, I must
now find 15 of my RL friends who are willing to fork over $300 in
registration fee, and $100 per month; convice at least one of them to
provide office space and manpower to administer this new ISP; probably
spend much good money and time to produce a "secure" mail service; and I
still might end up on the ORBS list, if on of my friends tries to set up
his own mail server (as an educational experience. You remember those?)
and then talk to an ORBS secured individual. I could, after all that
effort, end up with the same lack of communication imposed by the same
sofware, for the same rediculous reasons.

Making technical decisions based of fear and anger is a formula for
disaster. Weighing the benefits (reduced spam) at a higher priority than
the damage (cutting of mail service to legitimate users) gives exactly the
unbalanced solution we are being forced to live with.

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