Re: Is NPL DFSG complient or not?
Richard Braakman <dark@xs4all.nl> writes:
> Adam P. Harris wrote:
> > Yes, the whole section is:
> >
> > | 3.2. Availability of Source Code.
> > | Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must
> > |be made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License
> > |either on the same media as an Executable version or via an accepted
> > ^^
> > |Electronic Distribution Mechanism to anyone to whom you made an
> > |Executable version available; and if made available via Electronic
> > ^^
> > |Distribution Mechanism,
> >
> > That is to say, *if* source and executable are not distributed
> > together on the "medium", i.e., ftp site (yes that is a medium in the
> > legal sense), then you have to provide these alternative methods below:
>
> That is only one of the possible interpretations, and it requires you
> to claim that distribution from an ftp site is _not_ an "Electronic
> Distribution Mechanism".
Not at all. Read my interpretation again. I propose that the clause
"and if made available via Electronic Distribution Mechanism" really
means "and if you are *not* shipping the source and the executable
together, but rather opting to using some other Electronic
Distribution Mechanism (i.e., CVS) to distribute the source, ...",
> The first sentence makes a distinction between "on the same media..."
> and "via an accepted Electronic Distribution Mechanism", without
> giving any hint about what should be done with cases that satisfy
> both.
> I see no reason to read the "and if" one way or the other.
> The license is ambiguous on this point.
You are right that the logic is ambiguous and could be read either
way. I.e.,
if ! p, then q
if q, then r
But, as you know, it's a logical falicy to think "if !p, then q" also
means "if p, then !q". As such the license seems silent on the case
of "p && q".
I think the laywers fell for the logical fallicy. I guess we should
point that out to them.
> Can someone with more status than I contact Netscape and try to
> get this clarified? I tried asking on the mozilla-license list
> and got no response.
Yes, that list seems dead.
I'm CC'ing <mozilla-license@mozilla.org>. I've also included my
previous email for context.
Hopefully we can get a statement of Intent from the framers of the
license. Maybe the license needs version 1.0.1?
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Subject: Re: Is NPL DFSG complient or not?
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Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:10:36 -0400
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Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> writes:
> I'm not convinced that the [NM]PL requires that the source be made available
> any longer than the binaries, if they are provided on the same medium, at the
> same time (i.e. FTP, or HTTP).
Actually, rereading this, I think you are right!
> I interpret the second occurrence of the phrase
>
> Electronic Distribution Mechanism
>
> as a reference back to the first, so that the part or the sentence prior to
> the semi-colon is saying ``you can distribute the binaries either a) with,
> or b) without the source'', and the bit after the semi-colon is saying ``If
> you choose option b) then its up to you to let people get the source up to
> 12 (or 6) months later''.
Yes, the whole section is:
| 3.2. Availability of Source Code.
| Any Modification which You create or to which You contribute must
|be made available in Source Code form under the terms of this License
|either on the same media as an Executable version or via an accepted
^^
|Electronic Distribution Mechanism to anyone to whom you made an
|Executable version available; and if made available via Electronic
^^
|Distribution Mechanism,
That is to say, *if* source and executable are not distributed
together on the "medium", i.e., ftp site (yes that is a medium in the
legal sense), then you have to provide these alternative methods below:
| must remain available for at least twelve (12)
|months after the date it initially became available, or at least six
|(6) months after a subsequent version of that particular Modification
|has been made available to such recipients. You are responsible for
|ensuring that the Source Code version remains available even if the
|Electronic Distribution Mechanism is maintained by a third party.
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