Re: Unteralterbach visual novel
Ansgar Burchardt <ansgar@debian.org> writes:
> Hi,
>
> On 03/10/2014 02:44, Bas Wijnen wrote:
>> The erotic content is not optional, AFAICS. Only the abuse is optional.
>> The first time you get to a point where you can see it, you have to
>> click a button that says "I'm mentally ill and want to see this". Given
>> that these are (drawn) images of child abuse, I think they are actually
>> criminal to possess in many countries (including mine, the Netherlands,
>> so I have already deleted the game). I'm pretty sure we cannot
>> distribute them in Debian, not even in non-free. So for the rest of the
>> post, I'm assuming that those images are not in the game.
>
> Do these laws actually apply to comic-style illustrations?
>
> (Note: I have no idea what Unteralterbach shows besides what people
> wrote here earlier.)
>
>> Firstly, for "healthy" people like myself, seeing this (even with the
>> abuse images turned off, there is still a lot explained in the text)
>> causes remembering it at inappropriate moments (which is any moment that
>> I'm not playing the game). I very much dislike this, and it is the
>> reason I stopped playing. This need not be a reason to exclude the game
>> from Debian, but it may be, IMO.
>>
>> A more serious objection is the effect that it has on the "mentally ill"
>> people that the game mentions. I fear the effect that this game may
>> have on them, could be to convince them that sex with children is not
>> always a bad thing. The fact that the children are so realistic
>> otherwise may add to this risk that they may not keep fantasy and
>> reality separate. Their mental condition will surely stimulate that
>> line of thinking. In some cases, that may lead to more child abuse. I
>> would certainly not want to be responsible for that (in a broader sense
>> than just legally).
>
> To me this seems to be pretty much the same argument brought against
> "killer games": people might not be able to keep fantasy and reality
> separate and start running around shooting people. And I don't believe
> in the argument against "killer games"...
Note, however, that copycat suicides do exist:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide>
--
Nils Dagsson Moskopp // erlehmann
<http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net>
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