Re: data-debian-org
On Sun, 2013-07-07 at 14:07 +1000, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 06:38:46 Markus Koschany wrote:
> > I haven't followed the discussion about data.debian.org and i am not
> > sure if we need it for UFO.
>
> That's a topic to discuss... Somehow I missed everything related to
> "data.debian.org" [1] and I couldn't find much information to learn
> about the problem. Is there a good summary somewhere?
>
> Another game that I was considering is "vegastrike" for which we have
> a RFP [2]. But to my frustration it turned out that game used to be in
> Debian for some time but then it was removed [3] because its data is
> too big(!). To me explanation why it was necessary was not clear at
> all as I don't quite understand what is the problem (specifically).
>
> * Is that because large Arch:all packages drain too much space from
> "snapshots.debian.org"?
>
> * Or could it be because of burden/overhead for mirrors?
>
> * Removal of "vegastrike" happened back in 2010 -- do we still have
> those constrains? Was is because of _temporary_ lack of space or
> something like that?
>
> I found it hard to believe that merely lack of space could be the
> case. Even if "vegastrike" with its data needs ~700 MiB it is just
> about ~1.6% of all binary packages (~44 GiB) in i386 architecture
> alone. Certainly we're in deep trouble if our remaining free space
> margin is that small....
>
> As for uploading of large -data packages it can take a while but I
> doubt if it could justify removal of package from archive.
>
> I'm deeply concerned about this issue. There are handful of free
> graphics-rich games and we won't get far if we can't afford to host
> even few of them.
> It's a shame that we gave up on "vegastrike" so easily without even
> trying to provide data downloader script or support for
> "game-data-packager"...
>
>
> > In short, looks like a promising and complex free software game which
> > could improve our games portolio for sure.
>
> I think it could be a strategic goal to package more beautiful games
> of those that we can distribute. I dream to make Debian as good for
> gaming as it is for other fields of endeavour...
>
> [1]: http://ftp-master.debian.org/wiki/projects/data/
> [2]: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691424
> [3]: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585758
I think the bug reports do not tell the whole story. Vegastrike had at
least one showstopping segfault bug[1], and was barely if at all
maintained. So I think the issue may have been that it was taking up a
lot of space for no real benefit, rather than simply because it took up
a lot of space.
I would love to see it come back and be playable.
CC
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[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=488686 but also
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581967
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