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Re: The status of desktop-base in wheezy



Hello all,

I use Debian a lot since sarge. I learned how to create Debian packages, and I know a lot on packaging now. I just feel like Debian is not only an amazing OS, but also an amazing community.

I was reading this mailing lists since the first proposals arived, and I feel all the frustration with all those amazing artistic contributions not getting a voting process. But, I also understand the actions needed to release an amazing OS as Debian is: universal.

Ulrich, you are right, there should be a better decision on this subject. Maybe this is my fault, too. I am a developer that wants to contribute to the Debian project, but never had time to do so. And now I feel that I should helped before. Maybe helping to organize the voting process, maybe helping artists to get they themes packaged.

Now, that we are closer to the freeze process, I want to help packaging the themes and try to recover the lost time. I want to help the Debian project to have, as the project expects: diversity. I know how to create Debian packages very well, I just need an oficial Debian maintainer to help me in the process to upload it to the archives for testing.

Artists, thanks for your contributions, I would love to help packaging your themes to let them be part of the next Debian release if we can do it before the freeze takes place.

Thanks all,

2012/6/23 Ulrich Hansen <uhansen@debianart.org>

Am 22.06.2012 um 10:51 schrieb Adrien Aubourg:

> I can totally understand the frustration of aeveryone here. If it comes to a
> vote (public or not), be sure that I will accept the result, whatever it is.

If you think a vote would have been a fairer and more respectful way to decide about the artworks and the artists who created them - well it's in your hands now and in your hands alone. You are the only one who is able to demand a vote, because it is your artwork they are using.

And obviously there would be time enough (see Adam Barratt's mail from June 22nd, 09:19) as long as the d-i gets a nice picture in time before the freeze (see Joey Hess's mail from June 22nd, 11:44).

Just packaging something doesn't make it right.

> I don't want to be an element of misunderstanding or disfonction of the desktop
> choose process.

Yes, me too. But obviously the "processes" here keep pushing us into roles we don't want. Paul writes he doesn't want to be a dictator, but unfortunately he's acting like one - a "benevolent" one, if someone likes that better. I put a lot of time into the work here and wanted to be supportive, but obviously I am not and I am not liking that either. So I will now stop making "noise" here. A relief for everybody including me ;-).

Without someone with the power to push it, there will be no vote. There are still people who like to have it happen. But I doubt they can get it accomplished, now that the "technical crew" took over and is running things as they think they must.

Either way I withdraw my own proposals. They didn't get picked by Paul anyway so it's not a big deal. And if there is a need for alternatives or theme packages, there are still enough good choices. But the whole process made me feel disrespected and I don't like that. Sorry guys. Don't want to be a poor loser but as I see it the game has no rules and needs to be fixed.

best wishes

PS: "It will be fixed next time" didn't work last time.

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