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Re: The status of desktop-base in wheezy

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:42:58AM +0200, Ulrich Hansen wrote:
>    Am 22.06.2012 um 04:00 schrieb Paul Tagliamonte:
>      Sorry, this wasn't the case. I was complaining about the lack of change
>      on debian-devel, got told to do it, prepared the changes, asked the
>      current maintainers, pushed the changes and notifed everyone.
>    Well, thanks for notifying. A lot of people here were waiting for a vote.
>    Just read this list.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I know what I'm doing is rude, and I know I look like
an ass, but this needs to get done.

>    I know it's kind of a developer thing to want things get done and I
>    respect that. 

Thank you :)

>    But the people here (including me) are mostly non-developers, they were
>    doing their artwork and some put a lot of time into it. I would have
>    expected that this work would be judged in a fair manner, with a
>    discussion and pros and cons and finally a vote. And not to be notified in
>    a hurry by somebody who just was tired of waiting.

I totally respect that. Although I spent a lot of time going through
each theme (I set all the proposed backgrounds on my desktop and tried
them out), I can see how this looks crazy.

For that, I'm sorry.

>      If this is not up to your standard, please hold a vote, revert my
>      patches, update the package and upload it.
>    Yes, I would like to do that. 
>    I suggest to vote on this list. 
>    I suggest a timeframe of five days. So voting ends Tuesday, 26th of June,
>    midnight.

I'm letting you know if the theme is not Joy, I won't be doing the work
myself, will you be doing the work? I'll gladly step aside, but I can't wait 5

>    I suggest that everybody who is interested how Debian 7 will look like,
>    can participate in that vote. So that means the poll is open for users.
>    I suggest everybody has one vote and writes the name of the favored
>    proposal into the subject line of his mail.
>    I suggest to make this poll immediately known to all user-communities and
>    blogs.
>      I don't particularly want this role, I just want a new default and
>      decided to *help*.
>    We all want a new default. And everybody here tried to help.
>        because we have *9* days before freeze. That's *9* days to do all
>        major changes.
>        That means:
>        write a theme for KDM, Ksplash, GDM, Plymouth, Splashy, GRUB, Migrate
>        everyone else (filed two bugs earler against SLiM & ldm-themes) off
>        spacefun, test it, and upload it.
>    This is not so much work. I have helped the last time to do it. I am
>    volunteering to do it now.

Great. Send a request to join the team and one of the admins will get
you set up with commit rights. None of the other maintainers are active,
so you'll be flying solo. If you're serious about this (and I urge you
to consider what you're doing -- my package work is basically done, and
most everything works, I've filed bugs, blogged and announced this in
many ways, you'll be having to do a *lot* of work...), then I suggest
you start looking at the packaging.

>    If by this every Debian user gets to vote over the picture they will look
>    at the next two years, thats OK with me.
>    And even if we are voting for "Joy" (which would be a reasonable choice
>    BTW) it would be a vote by the community and not by one single person.
>    best wishes
>    Ulrich


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