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Re: corporate debian desktop

Le mercredi 05 avril 2006 à 01:53 +0100, Luis Matos a écrit :
> Jerome Warnier wrote:
> >Also, we would really be pleased to contribute to a larger project, but
> >we also want to release «something» when we feel it is time to.
> >  
> >
> having release times can improve the results. Imagine if you had an etch 
> release soon ( in 6 months, imagine) you would be just running to make 
> the package. still ... if you don't have some point you are just ... 
> develloping with no "objective objectives".
Of course.

> >>Really, your project's page is all in french and i could not find the 
> >>cvs link. Preseeding is not in my plans, but as someone said, it would 
> >>be nice to include this in tasksel, when something is done and preseed 
> >>only the configuration steps (configuration of network conection, etc, etc)
> >>
> >>please send me the cvs link.
> >>    
> >>
> >Did you already have a look?
> >
> >In the TODO: go to Etch as base, evaluate using the gtk+ frontend of
> >d-i, make it more modular so that we could for example ship a KDE-based
> >version (the technical staff are mainly GNOME-addicts, though).
> >And still, keep it running on older machines (starting with PII or
> >equivalent with 128MB RAM and 3GB hdd) of the kind you can find for
> >nothing in second-hand shops.
> >  
> >
> i gave up running linux on older machines like that. easely you can have 
> pxe and bootp mount / trough nfs or have X clients and a server.
Those machines are enough, believe me. 128MB RAM is a little too short
to run OOo, though, especially when using other (huge) applications like
Evolution at the same time. 256MB make it far better. Still, it is
Thin clients are another thing. You would then need a powerful PC as server.
Both solutions share stuff, but they both show different issues and
solutions, and the goal of specializing is to get more specialized...
So, if you want to have a full-blown desktop suite (with all bells and
whistles), keep on working on that, first, and then see what you can
apply to thin clients.
BTW, we also have a fair experience in thin clients, being also the
authors of Plume (http://plume.bxlug.be) a while ago, when LTSP wasn't
the greatest stuff on Earth (still not? ;-)). Plume is just the
infrastructure needed to have thin clients booting, and booting really
fast, and working great. Then, we had to tweak and personalize a lot
more stuff to have it ready blow (even on clients based on 486SX
processors with 8MB RAM). Work on it is only realized when I get a paid
customer for a customization on it nowadays.

> i am also a gnome addict (i think i am not that addict) because gnome is 
> simple, fast and objective and it will be faster every version, and have 
> some nice improvements version to version.
Same here.
> Also you have java and C# full support for develloping applications. 
> Maily my objective with that is to create somehow a base desktop for 
> companies to build some software on it.
Well, the question here is "why don't you use Ubuntu, then?" :-D.
Ubuntu was judged to power-hungry for us, that's it (and the current
version when we started was Hoary, so not as nice as today's Breezy
going to Dapper, but still too hungry).

> Maily, in portugal you have linux with some support, in servers is 
> becoming very used, but in desktops, simply there is no end costumer 
> applications, such as local crm, stock management, accounting.
> So, having a stable desktop, is easier to make people to create 
> applications.
Release cycles for Debian are too long for desktop usage, that's for
sure (while for servers, it is probably adequate). I personally think a
1.5 years release cycle would be perfect for an enterprise desktop.

> Also, using an lsb compatible distribution (or using dcc as base, witch 
> have kernel improvement and is lsb directed) you make it even easier.
I'm not sure DCC is actually leading to something, though. We'll see
with practise.

> i saw your cvs, and what you did i basically my intentions, but without 
> modifying the installer.
We did modify some things related to it. But again, our goal is to stay
as near to Debian as possible, and we intensively use the BTS to submit
bugs, improvements and patches so that Debian benefits immediately from
our work. We are really serious about this.
> Maybe provide tasksel support, or to announce a sugestion for preseeding.
I don't understand this sentence.

> Best regards
> Luis Matos
Jérôme Warnier
FLOSS Consultant

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