Re: Bug#1050001: Unwinding directory aliasing
On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 at 20:12, Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> wrote:
>
> I would very much prefer it if we can keep this conversation respectful,
> because mediating between angry people is exhausting (and the more
> spoons I have to put into that, the less effectively I can advocate for
> the technical opinions that I think you and I mostly agree on, which I
> assume is not what you want).
>
> I'm keen to avoid the anti-pattern where a valid technical point gets
> disregarded or even opposed because the way it was expressed puts other
> project members on the defensive.
>
> If you're frustrated, I understand that, but please can we take that
> off-list?
The perfect time to discuss "creative" alternative approaches was ~12
years ago, when everybody else was discussing where to move towards.
It was perfectly acceptable to discuss it before the first CTTE vote.
It was still ok-ish before the second CTTE vote. In August 2023:
- the matter has been settled for a decade
- everyone that matters has switched to the same layout
- Debian's CTTE voted twice on the matter
- Debian has switched to the same layout for all installations since
Bookworm and for new installations since Buster
- the final quirks in packaging that we have to deal with because dpkg
is hopelessly broken beyond repair are all planned out and handled
thanks to Helmut's work
- upstreams have already started to drop support for anything but the new layout
and hence interpreting attempts to propose yet another different and
incompatible layout (only and solely for the benefit of the hopelessly
broken dpkg tool) as sealioning is not disrespectful, on the contrary
it is the most charitable interpretation possible.
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 at 10:35:42 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Suse [...] tried [symlink farms similar to those that Ian proposes]
> > for a few years, then had to backtrack and
> > go the way everyone else successfully went instead, which quickly wrapped up as
> > expected.
>
> I alluded to that in a previous mail to this thread, but I don't have
> first-hand knowledge of the specifics of how that went, and it sounds
> as though you might. Do you have references that you can point us to?
> (To the list or as private email for me to summarize on-list later,
> whichever seems more appropriate.
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Usr_merge_preparation#initial_situation_in_openSUSE
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