Hi Helmut, * Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> [2023-08-26 11:39]:
Who is this going to be? Do you, Helmut, feel comfortable as driver?Yes, though I'm not opposed to sharing the load.
Ack.
Do you prefer if the Release Team takes over with you in an advisory role? If you continue as main driver, should the DPL formally delegate that role somehow?On a micro level, the Release Team will be involved. The plan is for me to file RC bugs. There will be disagreement about such bugs and the Release Team is the arbiter of severities and testing migration here.
Ack.
I'm surprised. We did have some contentious questions such as whether changing dpkg would be part of the solution and how the bootstrap protocol should look like. These seem settled now. Beyond these, the feedback mostly was that we should simply get it done. We will still see individual disagreements on particular packages, but those cannot be settled by some form of delegation as in effect they touch the package ownership and overriding that currently requires CTTE involvement. I'd rather see us not using the constitution hammer just because we see a nail and hope that I'm right about the expected cooperation.
Maybe DPL delegation invokes the wrong kind of image here. I'm not asking for some dictator who pushes the transition through no matter what. What I do like to see is transparent commmunication about the process; we should be upfront about the fact that you drive this transition and not just kind of let it happen (which is what it has felt like to me at times). It does not even have to be much, maybe a short paragraph such as "Please monitor the document at <URL> for the current transition status. Helmut has graciously agreed to coordinate the transition. Please reach out to him if you want to help with the effort, or if you have affected packages and are unsure how you should proceed." in the CTTE announcement is sufficient. All the usual channels for dispute resolution remain available, but everyone is brought to the same page, even if they missed (or ignored) the d-devel discussionup this point.
Also, any developer who just wants to "get it done" but does not have the time or energy to fully grok DEP-17 has the option to defer to you / the developers coordinating the transition, similar to what has happened with the debhelper NMU. Cheers Timo -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ╭────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ │ Timo Röhling │ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ │ 9B03 EBB9 8300 DF97 C2B1 23BF CC8C 6BDD 1403 F4CA │ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ ╰────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯
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