Hi Steve, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> writes: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 08:14:07PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: >> > One claim is changed, see below. > >> > On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: >> > > Hello, > >> > > In summary: >> > > a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be >> > > kept. >> > > b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf >> > > message about alternative init systems. > >> > Since there is no interest in adding a debconf message on new installs, >> > I wish for a menu entry in the advanced part of the installer to be able >> > to install a new system with sysvinit-core or upstart! > >> That's even more unlikely than to add a debconf message (which would be >> package-owned). Yes, debian-installer is frozen. This would add new >> udebs, new strings, new everything. We're actually trying to release. > > Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are going to > have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to systemd, > then we should take appropriate steps to address that, even if that means > unfreezing the installer. > > I am not saying that making init systems a choice in the installer is the > right solution here; I don't think that it is. But I also don't think that > the release freeze can reasonably be an argument against it. How can someone be "switched to systemd" on a fresh install? If you were pointing out an instance where upgrades could bite users, that would be different, and might well be an RC bug. Apparently however, you're talking about the installer, which has nothing to do with upgrades, so cannot result in anything being "switched" (well, not unless you're saying that the person is being switched from being one sort of user to another, and might find that a bad experience ... but then I've no idea what the "appropriate steps" might be ;-) ) Cheers, Phil. P.S. For those that think there's no choice when installing: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd I'd suggest that anyone that knows enough to have an opinion about their preferred init will be able to manage that simple extra step with ease. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/ http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg, GERMANY
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