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Bug#762194: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 08:14:07PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > One claim is changed, see below.

> > On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Hello,

> > > In summary:
> > > a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
> > > kept.
> > > b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf
> > > message about alternative init systems.

> > Since there is no interest in adding a debconf message on new installs,
> > I wish for a menu entry in the advanced part of the installer to be able
> > to install a new system with sysvinit-core or upstart!

> That's even more unlikely than to add a debconf message (which would be
> package-owned). Yes, debian-installer is frozen. This would add new
> udebs, new strings, new everything. We're actually trying to release.

Debian releases when it's ready.  If large numbers of our users are going to
have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to systemd,
then we should take appropriate steps to address that, even if that means
unfreezing the installer.

I am not saying that making init systems a choice in the installer is the
right solution here; I don't think that it is.  But I also don't think that
the release freeze can reasonably be an argument against it.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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