Bug#762194: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)
- To: Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org>, 762194@bugs.debian.org
- Cc: Svante Signell <svante.signell@gmail.com>, Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>, debian-devel <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>, 765803@bugs.debian.org
- Subject: Bug#762194: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)
- From: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>
- Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:30:49 -0800
- Message-id: <[🔎] 20141129203049.GC16464@virgil.dodds.net>
- Mail-followup-to: Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org>, 762194@bugs.debian.org, Svante Signell <svante.signell@gmail.com>, Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>, debian-devel <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>, 765803@bugs.debian.org
- Reply-to: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>, 762194@bugs.debian.org
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- References: <[🔎] 1416947368.11764.312.camel@G3620.my.own.domain> <[🔎] alpine.DEB.2.11.1411260950000.19221@tglase.lan.tarent.de> <[🔎] 1417175791.11764.416.camel@G3620.my.own.domain> <[🔎] 1417284908.6826.3.camel@gmail.com> <[🔎] 20141129191407.GA4600@simplex.0x539.de>
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 08:14:07PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 07:15:08PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > One claim is changed, see below.
> > On Fri, 2014-11-28 at 12:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > In summary:
> > > a) Upgrades should _not_ change init: whatever is installed should be
> > > kept.
> > > b) New installs should get systemd-sysv as default init with a debconf
> > > message about alternative init systems.
> > Since there is no interest in adding a debconf message on new installs,
> > I wish for a menu entry in the advanced part of the installer to be able
> > to install a new system with sysvinit-core or upstart!
> That's even more unlikely than to add a debconf message (which would be
> package-owned). Yes, debian-installer is frozen. This would add new
> udebs, new strings, new everything. We're actually trying to release.
Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are going to
have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switched to systemd,
then we should take appropriate steps to address that, even if that means
unfreezing the installer.
I am not saying that making init systems a choice in the installer is the
right solution here; I don't think that it is. But I also don't think that
the release freeze can reasonably be an argument against it.
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