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Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 02:07:56PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> Le vendredi, 7 février 2014, 14.27:25 Steve Langasek a écrit :
> > (…), what I've seen suggests that systemd integration is currently in
> > a state that would cause terrible regressions for many server users.

> Le samedi, 8 février 2014, 14.18:39 Steve Langasek a écrit :
> > I vote F U D (…)

> Quite frankly, I don't have much more to add.

> Could you please either refrain from blanket statements about the 
> brokenness of systemd or back them with bugreports?

I am no more bound by such a request to stop speaking the truth, than systemd
proponents are bound by requests that they stop spreading FUD about the
viability of logind on non-systemd-init systems.  The evidence of the broken
integration has been posted to this bug; anyone who cares about making
systemd robust for jessie is free to act on that information by filing bug
reports against systemd, or by fixing the problems outlined.  It's not my
responsibility to personally spoon-feed people fixes for systemd's lack of
integration - and particularly given that the poor state of integration is
the major reason why I still believe systemd is a worse choice of default
for Debian than upstart, I certainly have no intention of being silent about
this subject.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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