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Bug#727708: Both T and L are wrong, plea for something simpler

On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 10:05:47PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:

> I keep thinking that bundling the default init decision with ruling on 
> what software dependencies are allowed in Debian packs two quite 
> different issues, allows (or "features", one could say) tactical voting 
> and has, in effect, delayed the core decision by several weeks now.

Quite frankly, given that all members of the TC have by this point weighed
in with their preference on the "systemd vs. upstart" question and these
preferences can be tallied by hand, I don't think there should be any doubt
as to how the vote on that core question will go.  So I don't think any
maintainers should feel blocked on this by the lack of a formal vote; I
certainly don't think that the conclusion of the vote is the only blocker
for switching the default init system in jessie today, what I've seen
suggests that systemd integration is currently in a state that would cause
terrible regressions for many server users.

So the only unsettled question today is whether, and how, maintainers should
be allowed to add dependencies on specific init systems.  And if maintainers
find themselves blocked on this, well, it's because they should block on

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
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