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Bug#727708: Resolve impasse by focusing on requirements for smooth upgrade

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 09:41:18AM -0500, Zack Weinberg wrote:
>> People have made various assertions about how difficult it would be to
>> port the necessary systemd components to run with some other init system,
>> or to create independent compatible implementations, but *no one has
>> actually done that yet*, and we don't know for sure that anyone will.
> That's not true, and I'm very cross that I have to keep refuting this claim

I admit that I did not check in detail, but I was under the impression
that systemd-shim only provided the systemd v204 interfaces, not the
newer ones (and in particular, not the newer logind, which, it is also
my impression, newer GNOME (possibly newer than is even in
experimental) wants).  If I am mistaken I apologize for repeating the
incorrect claim.

However, this was just an example.  I think my larger point stands -
whichever default init is picked, substantial integration work remains
to be done for jessie; it will be easier to know what Policy should
look like on the topic of application -> init dependencies once that
integration work gets done; in order to get the bus rolling again,
what policy is written *now* should concentrate on the thing that is
knowable now, i.e. the requirements for smooth wheezy-jessie upgrades.


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