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Bug#727708: Resolve impasse by focusing on requirements for smooth upgrade

On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 09:41:18AM -0500, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> People have made various assertions about how difficult it would be to
> port the necessary systemd components to run with some other init system,
> or to create independent compatible implementations, but *no one has
> actually done that yet*, and we don't know for sure that anyone will.

That's not true, and I'm very cross that I have to keep refuting this claim
(which I feel that I have to do, because various members of the TC seem to
*accept* this claim).  The systemd dbus services *have* been made to run in
an init-system-agnostic environment, this is exactly what Ubuntu is doing
today.  More time has been wasted on this back-and-forth over whether it's
possible to make these dbus services work on top of upstart, than it took to
actually put the systemd-shim package into Debian.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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