Bug#727708: multiple init systems - formal resolution proposal - Don't like software, don't use it. Absolutely.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 05:30:04PM +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> What would be the effecr if we decided to drop GNOME, because it
> depends on systemd?
> Of course, Debian would have played with it's muscles, but in the end
> we would have lost GNOME users, all GNOME developers and many
> motivated people involved in taking care of GNOME.
May be. On another hand, it this decision can attract "more
conservative" (and, probably, experienced) people from other
distributions.
> GNOME upstream won't really change
Why? There are non-Linux GNOME users, for example. If the GNOME
developers don't care even about such popular distribution as Debian -
something is going wrong. And not with the Debian, for sure.
> We could keep every software running as-it-is on Debian. People would
> not notice any issues, because (except for some bugs pending to be
> fixed, and the migration phase) a systemd-system does not break
> anything for Linux users
Please don't repeat here these myths. It does break
things, it has bugs. Go to bugtrackers of mentioned distributions,
go to the systemd's bugtracker. Last, but not least:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=yes&src=systemd
> If we would drop systemd or anything which Lennart created, we would
> reject functionality without any technical reason to do so.
There are lots of reasons why we sometimes want to keep things
simple and clean. A good example was mentioned in this thread:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708#3155
> That's why Wayland uses it
> and an X patch is pending, to make some new scenarios with X possible.
> People working on these projects are no idiots who add a dependency
> "because they can", but because it seems to be the best solution in
> order to fix a problem for them.
Are X-people indeed sacrifice portability, or there is something
different (e.g. these dependencies are optional)?
> Not using systemd fixes *none* of the problems
Where is the list of problems for sysvinit we intend to solve?
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