On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 11:27:11PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: > I think it would be much more helpful if we all tried to be > constructive - after all, we are engaged in a joint project, not a > war. I think Herbert has been showing a willingness to engage and a > constructive attitude, in at least the mails I see here so far. (I > haven't gone and read the bug log yet). You haven't seen him on the mailing lists. If you want me to cite evidence, I can do so, but this isn't really germane to the current issue. Please do review the bug log; despite my (polite and objective) effort to explain what I was talking about, Herbert mechanically reassigned the bug reports at issue back to me within a matter of hours. *This* is the kind of action which I find uncooperative and insulting. > If you have a complaint about another developer's personal behaviour, > then you should take it up with the project management. What project management? We don't really have any infrastructure[1] for dealing with developers who are generally uncooperative and contrary, as Herbert has been for a long time; I long ago lost patience with him and Santiago Vila. Despite my own (deserved) reputation as a prickly developer, there is no one else with whom I have clashed over purely technical issues as I have with Herbert and Santiago. And I'm not the only developer who has done so; if you care to solicit anecdotes from other developers about these two individuals I'm sure you can get them. And yes, Ian, all these remarks withstand even our own one or two heated clashes in the past. [1] At least, none which the existing DPL or DSA team seem to want to dirty their hands with. Past experience has taught me that Herbert and Sanitago will simply arbitrarily disagree with people as suits their fancy; you can attempt to reason and justify until you're blue in the face, they just say "no." and reassign bugs back to you, or reopen bugs you close. They know no rationale for any technical decision beyond their own whims. That is why I have become quick on the trigger to appeal to Technical Committee when it happens that they clash with me in such a fashion; I feel I can trust the Technical Committee, even if they disagree with me, to give me some semblance of a fair hearing instead of being petulantly recalcitrant and cynically abusing the Debian Bug Tracking System to waste the time of other developers. I have not attempted, and will not attempt, to use the Technical Committee as a forum for adjudication of grievances in general I have with other developers; just those that involve the Debian BTS, and when the developer appears unwilling to work with me, or (as in this case) even to hear me out in the first place. -- G. Branden Robinson | What influenced me to atheism was Debian GNU/Linux | reading the Bible cover to cover. branden@deadbeast.net | Twice. http://deadbeast.net/~branden/ | -- J. Michael Straczynski
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