On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 10:17:14AM +0200, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote:
...
> Nonwhistanding this experience, I have
> to tell that, when I made a very serious effort to install debian-amd64
> on a new shiny laptop, I had the hardest time Debian gave me since the
[...]
I have an nForce3-based Athlon64 desktop system and the installation was
perfect. I suspect my scenario is far more common than yours.
I do not thing that blaming the user is a helpful approach. Anyway,
this thread and others show that Debian amd64 is not currently suitable
for newbies: the risk of encountering serious installation issues is
just too high.
> In contrast, putting an Ubuntu (amd64 5.10 preview) CD in the drive and
> installing took me one hour (two to get some fine-tuning working)...
Same experience here, on several systems (both i386 and amd64).
My real point was though that your Ubuntu advocacy is misplaced.
I don't care if you use Ubuntu, but this is a Debian list.
This thead is not about Ubuntu advocacy, it is about problems users
have with Debian amd64. If Ubuntu works better, than maybe it points
toward the solution? I agree with Helge here: just as Ubuntu benefits
tremendously from Debian, this could also go the other way round.
Thomas