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Re: Do I need 64Bit if RAM is more than 4 GB?



On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 16:18 +0100, Paul Brook wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 September 2004 15:42, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 15:03 +0100, Paul Brook wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 08 September 2004 14:45, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > In fact, it seems to me that *any* 32 bit processor (SPARC, HPPA,
> > > > Power) that wants to be able to use more than 4GB of total RAM
> > > > would have to use such a segmentation scheme.
> > >
> > > Err, all of the above have 64-bit variants.
> >
> > Yessss, but they didn't *start* with 64 bit variants.
> 
> Actually Power did. It was designed as a 64-bit architecture that can also be 
> run/implemented with only 32-bits.

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/jbayko/cpu5.html#Sec5Part4
"Part IV: IBM RS/6000 POWER chips (1990). . . ."
"Thirty two 32-bit registers were defined for the POWER1 integer 
unit, which also included certain string operations, as well as 
all load/store operations."
Blah blah blah POWER2
"It was superceded by the POWER3 (Early 1998), with eight functional
units (two FPU, three integer (two single cycle, one multicycle),
two load/store, and branch unit), but capable of operating at much
higher clock speeds. In addition, a 64 bit version, the PowerPC 
A35 (Apache), was designed for the AS/400 E series"

So, the first 64 bit POWER chips arrived 8 years after the 32
bit versions.

> > >                                            I don't know if the
> > > 32-bit variants support more than 4GB ram, but I doubt it.
> >
> > Oh come on.  You think the SPARC32s, Powers & PA-RISCs that ran
> > big Solaris, AIX and HP-UX SMP boxen in big shops *never* had more
> > than 4GB of RAM?
> >
> > I find it supremely hard to believe that Intel is the only company
> > to have a 32 bit chip that can address more than 4GB of RAM.
> 
> Well, sparc64 has been around an awful long time. Adding PAE-like hacks seems 

Since 1995.

> a strange decision when you have backwards compatible 64-bit CPUs.

There were largish SMP SPARC32 boxen for many years before the
SPARC64 came into existence.  I can't find any references on the
web, but some of those big boxen had to have more than 4GB RAM.
 
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