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Re: firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Install

I'll try that but I'm so tired of installing and reinstating Debian 11 that I went to bed.

Broken Screen Review

I understand that the screen review using <Shift+PgUp> and <Shift+PgDown> has been broken for years, but it still appears in the on screen documentation of Debian Accessible Text installer UNLESS something else isn't working.

Is anyone else having these problems?

I know there are others who have had the problem of using firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Installer and ending up with a system that is unusable.

Work Around for MATE user login.

I've found a work around,  I don't know how to do this with ORCA  but with eyesight, on the login screen, over at the top right, there is a selector for which desktop environment you want.

With only one Desktop environment installed, MATE, there are still TWO choices.

Default and Mate.

The normal selection automatically is "default" but this has to be changed manually to "Mate" or every time you log in, MATE (or something else) crashes putting you back to the opening screen where you log in.

Change it to Mate instead of Default and you can log in, and it will keep this setting when you reboot.

Inaccessible Text Installer in Debian 11

The Text Installer in Debian 10.10 (last version of Buster) worked flawlessly but the Text Installer with screen reader in Debian 11 with computers with more than one sound card is inaccessible installer remains a big problem and on reboot all consoles are without screen reader except the one that will boot into MATE.

Also a great addition would be to have a question during text installation "do you want to use text log in, or a desktop manager?

Logging in with text then when needed (if ever) starting MATE really takes CPU and memory resources  off your computer.

As many of us know doing email with text mode alpine or mutt is probably ten to  twenty times faster than using Firefox inside MATE. Using surfraw and w3m or Lynx in mutt allows sighted users to have the best of lightweight quickness and ability to see html email with graphic pictures in framebuffer in virtual console without MATE running. These are the best reasons NOT to use startx to start MATE.

I believe the commands as root will still stop Debian from automatically starting the Desktop Manager which for Mate is "lightdm":

As root:

systemctl disable lightdm 
systemctl stop lightdm 

If I remember correctly, it has to be done in that order to prevent respawning of the lightdm desktop manager.

Log in with text. Then do your email, web browsing, newsgroup reading and other text mode programs including emacspeak, then just "startx" if you need to use a graphic program inside MATE.

Very fast and very useful.

Best wishes,


On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 02:03 Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
You may need to run spd-conf as user and make sure espeak or espeak-ng is
pointed at correct sound resources in order for that to work.
Alternatively, fenrir may solve the speech problem for tty1-tty6.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2021, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> Hello,
> I've had a while to try to get debian 11.0.0 installed and I wanted to
> give a status report.
> First the most important part, I found a work around.
> If you select "MATE" instead of "Default" in the upper right corner,
> you can log in with your username.
> I compared the current 'AMD Netinst iso with the last 10.10.0 installer.
> This is the last Buster installer.
> In 10.10.0 everything works fine, sound card is selected correctly,
> all menus are read correctly, the only thing that doesn't work is
> Shift Pg-Up and Shift Pg-Down screen review so the first half of the
> installer screen can't be seen in both 10.10.0 and in 11.0.0.
> In software package selection "print server" is one of the options in
> Buster, but it is not an option inn Bullseye.
> Everything works well until booting into the system, the system goes
> into an infinite loop when putting the user password in.
> Here's the work around, select "Mate" instead of "Default" in the
> upper right of the log in screen, and it will work.
> firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso Installer.
> The installer knows I have two sound cards, but won't speak when I
> select the second sound card but will boot into the installed system
> speaking.
> In other words, the install is inaccessible and has to be done by
> someone who can see the small characters on the screen.
> Just like 10.10.0 screen review is broken, shift pg-up and
> shift-pg-down do not work.
> Boots into Mate speaking, but all other consoles are not speaking even
> after boot. That is TTY 1 to TTY6 do not speak.
> I installed htop and found that espeakup is running as is
> speech-dispatcher, but there is speech in MATE because Orca is running
> but none in console except if MATE is not running.
> I haven't tried to install another desktop environment to see if the
> problem is related to mate or is just something different.
> Best wishes,
> David

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