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Re: Debian 11 unofficial firmware first installation

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote:
> What I was talking about is that Debian refuses to change it's policy
> of non-free,

Ok. That indeed happens to be non-negociable. That goes back to the
#1 item of the social contract of Debian: “Debian will remain 100%
free”. But also there you can find “Works that do not meet our free
software standards”, which translates to the availability of the
non-free firmwares image.

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote:
> meaning that a CD of Debian with today's computers, especially today's
> laptops is nearly useless.

Yes, but on a political point of view, the problem is on the hardware
side, not the software side: the manufacturer sold you hardware that
cannot work without non-free firmware.

Surely, pragmatically speaking you'll want to use the firmware CD. It
happens to be available, what is the actual concern?

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote:
> We have to wait for a unofficial non-free Net Install CD

You do not have to wait long :)
shows that it was available on 2021-08-14 14:00 UTC. To be compared with 
which was available on 2021-08-14 13:51 UTC. I.e. they were basically
generated one after the other by the same build script.

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote:
> it would be lots easier for Debian to adapt to modern life.

Embracing non-free "modern" software is easy, yes.
"The dark side is easier", yes.
That doesn't mean that on the long run that's what we want.

That discussion is really not about debian-accessibility actually, and
it was already discussed at terrible length, so yes that won't change, I
could only summarize the idea above.

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote:
> I don't know if the actual official release works, but the non-free
> firmware release doesn't work,

Both do work all the same in my tests. (with hardware that doesn't
require non-free firmware, that is)

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote:
> I didn't know that the Debian Accessibility was only one person,

It isn't only one person in the Debian Accessibility workforce
fortunately :) But on the debian-installer side I'm rather alone indeed.
And we are not that many in Debian Accessibility. The point I wanted
to make is that while the "shaming" approach can be effective on big
companies such as Microsoft/Apple/Google/etc., I have never seen it
effective on benevolent-based teams.

D.J.J. Ring, Jr., wrote:
> What was send had ">Samuel" from an old message and I don't want
> anyone to think I am impersonating Samuel.

No problem :)


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