Re: [Debconf-team] Reusable cups for DebConf13
Hi
Nobody had fundamental opposition against the idea of producing
reusable plastic cups for DebConf so far. And we don't really have an
alternative because Le Camp does not want use to use glasses or
disposable plastic cups. The idea of getting the cups sponsored also did
not receive much traction and nobody is so far working on this. So I
propose that we buy the cups out of the general budget. Depending on how
things look right before DebConf we can still decide if the participants
should pay something for the cups or not.
Unless there is strong opposition to this before Sunday evening. I'll
tell the bar team that they can go ahead and produce the cups.
Gaudenz
Gaudenz Steinlin <gaudenz@debian.org> writes:
> Hi
>
> Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> writes:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 01:28:07PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
>>> I'm relaying this for the people woring on organizing the bar at
>>> DebConf13. They propose to use reusable cups for selling beverages. The
>>> cups would not be personal, if you buy a drink, you give back your old
>>> cup and receive a washed one. Cups will be washed by the bar team in a
>>> "hotel kitchen" dishwasher. Therefore the bar team estimates that a bit
>>> more than 2 cups per attendee are needed. The cups will have a DebConf
>>> logo on them and are a good souvenir to take home from DebConf. It's
>>> also more ecological to use reusable cups than one way cups and they
>>> don't break as easily as glasses. I don't know the regulations at Le
>>> Camp, but in some Swiss cities we might even be required to use reusable
>>> dishes.
>>
>> Most things become a lot less ecological when you start putting them in your
>> hand luggage and taking them home in planes.
>
> I really doubt that the few grams of plastic make a big difference.
> Unless you just fly to DebConf because of the cup. ;-)
>
>>
>>> We investigated prices of two different providers [1]. Costs are very
>>> similar.
>>>
>>> Costs: 480€ - 550€, depending on colors, producer and exact quantity
>>> Quanity: 700-800
>>> Cup size: 30-40cl
>>
>> And do we have an estimate of how much it would cost to use disposable cups
>> for the week?
>
> Not yet.
>
> A rough estimate:
> 2 cups per person per day * 300 attendees * 7 days * CHF 0.10 per cup =
> 420 CHF =~ 336€
>
> So if my estimate is correct it would be a bit cheaper, but not that
> much. But if we also need cups for DebCamp, the difference is even
> smaller or nonexistent.
>
>
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> writes:
>
>> Hi Gaudenz, hi all,
>>
>> Le vendredi, 7 juin 2013 13.28:07, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
>
>>> - We charge CHF 2 more for each beverage in a cup wich is bought without
>>> also giving back one of the cups. If the attendees take their cups
>>> home in the end, the costs are mostly covered. This is how this is
>>> most often done at public events in Switzerland.
>>
>> I think that's the best option, because it gives the cup a value. By making
>> sure the cups cost /something/ to the attendees, we ensure people will care
>> about them and not just "forget them" somewhere and get another one for free
>> at the bar (which would lead to need way more cups).
>
> I'd prefer the first cup for everyone to be free.
>
>>
>> One way to not put the whole cost on attendees would be to hand out the first
>> cup per attendee at the registration desk but then, if you want another one
>> (because you lost or broke yours, because you want a souvenir, etc), you get
>> to buy one at the bar.
>
> I agree that only the first cup should be free and that replacements
> should be paid for.
>
>>
>> As for washing, I'm not sure it's necessary to machine-wash them; if we just
>> water-rinse (fast hand-wash with only water) them, we can hand each attendee
>> his own cup back. But it kinda-depends on the durability of the cups (in
>> particular the marking).
>
> IMHO we should leave this to the bar team to decide. They should chosse
> the way that works best for them.
>
> Gaudenz
>
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