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Re: Teckids workshop at DebConf15



Hi,

> also sprach Dominik George <dominik.george@teckids.org> [2015-04-08 23:34 +0200]:
>> How would you ever want to *seed* adolescent interest in Debian if
>> you concentrate on those who are prone to be Debianised by their
>> parents anyway? Teckids - and, AFAICT, DebConf as well - are about
>> building a community, not keeping the community in the bounds it
>> has now.
> 
> While I agree with you, Teckids so far was floated as a child-care
> programme within DebConf, or I have misunderstood. If that's not the
> primary focus of our potential collaboration, then it needs to be
> (or should be) approached differently.

There is no difference in practice. You can call it DebConf child-care
if you wish, just not restrict it to that. I see no point in discussing
a mere naming issue.

> I am glad we are talking about this as early as we are, allowing us
> to align our expectations.

I don't know what the expectations were, in the first place ;).

> However, as we're now talking about a Teckids side track to DebConf
> open to DebConf kids, not an event primarily organised for DebConf
> kids, I think we'll better approach this from an angle of creating
> interest and getting young people involved in Debian from our side.

I think you got me wrong there. Of course, the proejct *shall* be an
event primarily organised for DebConf kids, but, *if* there aren't too
many DebConf kids, *then* I ask you to not drop the project, but instead
open it up to the public. This way, both sides benefit, because the
*few* DebConf kids get the chance to join the workshops *even though*
they are only few, *and* other young people can be attracted to Debian.

Teckids will sign an agreement discharging DebConf from all liabilities
concerning both DebConf childcare *and* public attendance, in order to
have clear responsibilities, which is a benefit for parents because they
have single, named people from a credited organisation looking after
their child and being responsible, not some random hacker fom Debian
(don't get me wrong on that; I like Debian hackers, but read it as being
said by a cautious parent ;)).

All of that does not change anything about the project being a DebConf
childcare project - only opened up *additionally* to the public, as tiem
and space allows, and with clear responsibilities.

Again, noone ever said, or wanted to say, that the project is *not*
intended to be primarily DebConf childcare.

> Could you give me a sentence or two helping me to pitch the idea to
> the team? Why would a Teckids workshop benefit DebConf and how could
> it help attract young people to our project?

I do hope that you [as in, someone at DebConf] had an idea of how a
Teckdis workshop would benefit DebConf before you asked us to run one;
but in any case, the benefits are mentioned above.

As to the second part, search udd and/or upstream bug trackers for
@teckids.org, @leibniz-remscheid.de, @naturalnet.de or any of the
mercurius domains and you will see quite a few young people from Teckids
projects having contributed ;).

But, still, this is not relevant for the discussion as, gain, noone ever
said that our focus is not DebConf childcare.

-nik

-- 
Dominik George (1. Vorstandsvorsitzender, Pädagogischer Leiter)
Teckids e.V. - Erkunden, Entdecken, Erfinden.
https://www.teckids.org

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