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Re: Decision making in Debian



Hi Dashamir

On 2022/07/14 10:07, Dashamir Hoxha wrote:
I am not sure how democratic decision making is made in Debian, but I guess it is done through mailing lists, which in my opinion are not the best tool for this purpose.

We don't have any form of decision making process on mailing lists. As others have mentioned, when we make a project-wide vote (like DPL elections or a GR), then that's co-ordinated by the project secretary.

More information on https://vote.debian.org and in our constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution

I'd be interested in discussing about what can be done to improve this process.

Step one is really understanding the current decision making processes, its constraints, requirements, etc before suggesting enhancements. If you're starting on the basis of a guess that it's made on mailing lists, then that's not a great start.

Maybe we can give a try to LiquidFeedback (https://liquidfeedback.com/en/ <https://liquidfeedback.com/en/>).

At least it's free software, it looks like it could be nice.

On the debian.net domain, volunteers in the project can host services not run by our official system administrators. One such site is https://surveys.debian.net/ - which can be used if someone wants more feedback in order to make a decision that doesn't need an official project-wide vote (or where we wouldn't require membership for a vote). An example of this is the artwork selection for each release (PSA: No one has stepped up to take care of this yet for bullseye, see: https://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2022/04/msg00000.html).

However, it is somewhat cumbersome to set up, and even when it is, it has some UX issues that we struggled with, its reports are also quite complicated. So, having more methods to gather feedback would certainly already be valuable.

Can we arrange a meeting to discuss about it? I'll be at the DebConf up to 24.

Yep, and if you'd like to set up an instance for Debian, even as an experiment or proof-of-concept, you can get a subdomain by following https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet (you'll need a DD to help you) and a VM for it by following the instructions at: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDotNet

-Jonathan


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