On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi Steve, > On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 07:47:42PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, Ghassan_Kanafani wrote: > > > > Can you provide the definitions of anti-semitism and "antirealism" that > > > you're using? > > > No, this is something that can't be pressed in a proper definition. But if > > people think that sentences like: > > > "Either way this ignores the fact that Israel has been murdering Muslims for > > countless years and the state of Israel sits on occupied Palestinian land. > > Debian having a conference in contestedland where military conflict and > > oppressive acts are occurring is unacceptable." > > (Just one example). > > > are acceptable on our lists they are wrong. We can of course now start > > constructing sentences like those for muslims, hindus or whatever ethnical > > group. But I don't want to see someone going that route. > > > So we either discuss in a constructive way or we should stop that > > discussion now. > > I welcome the listmasters reminding us that we are a community and that the > tone of our discussions should correspond, and I acknowledge your statement > that the above message is not acceptable for this reason. > > But as a fellow Debian Developer, I must object to the implication that this > particular statement is antisemitic. It is not antisemitic to object to the > policies of the Israeli government. It is not antisemitic to characterize > the actions of the Israeli government as "murder", any more than it is to do > so in regards to the actions of my own government. > > This is a problematic topic all around; please do not make it more > problematic with unsubstantiated accusations of racism. I did not wanted to say its antisemetic, I wanted to say that we don't want to see either antisemetic _or_ antiisrelism. In my experience most discussions starting with antiisrealiasm will end with being antisemetic. Sorry for not being clear. I just wanted to draw a line for that discussion that we shouldn't cross. Alex
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