Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
Hello,
Once again, when I say "we" I mean that I'm speaking with my DC
Registration hat on, but not on behalf of the team.
On 08/11/2018 05:44 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Even the police cannot identify a foreigner without passport documents.
There have been numerous cases in the past where police found someone
unconscious without an ID and amnesia and they were unable to identify
them for months. Just happened here recently in Berlin.
If you, as an attendee, are worried about this, I encourage you to carry
your passport around when outside the venue. As a person in a foreign
country, this is generally advised.
So you're saying that taking care of each other is not important for
Debian? Got it.
Drawing this conclusion is disingenuous, IMO.
On 08/11/2018 05:41 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
This is a matter of liability. If you have some going crazy and start demolishing
property at the conference venue, you will most certainly want to have someone
whom you can make pay for it.
Our insurance company.
So, if you have someone who goes by "trumpet232" and they become so
seriously
injured that you need to call an ambulance, you just shrug your shoulders
when it comes to contacting their relatives?
From my personal experience, you sometimes need to protect people from
their own mistakes. Especially younger folk will underestimate the
importance of safety precautions.
Well, for the most part, even people who are pseudonymous will have
passport on them when in a foreign country.
So, you are saying all this fancy encryption technology with USB keys,
fingerprint sensors and whatnot in the hands of Debian Developers is
not trustworthy enough?
No? I don't think that it's an issue of us not being trusted, it's an
issue of us not really having any particularly valid need to know.
How does it work at your company? Do they also allow just nicknames
for customers and employees and if something happens, you just trust
for the police to investigate this data? Don't you think that the police
or insurance companies will at least say "Hey, why didn't you keep a
record of the people you're making business with so that you know who
is going to be liable?"
At my company/org we ask for peoples' names. If they gave us a "fake"
name it wouldn't really matter, as long as we have something to put on
their meal containers (we do meals-on-wheels for people with a loss
of autonomy), their bills and the sheet with peoples' names for our
volunteers. Same here.
Also, in Germany, you are legally required to be able to identify
yourself in public (Ausweispflicht) and if you're not to, police
can arrest you and take you to the next station:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausweispflicht
Also, legally, anyone leaving their home country within the European
Union is required to carry an ID:
"Bürger jener Staaten, in denen das Freizügigkeitsabkommen der EU
gilt (d. h. der Europäischen Union einschließlich des Europäischen
Wirtschaftsraums wie auch
der Schweiz), müssen nach § 8 des Freizügigkeitsgesetzes/EU während
ihres Aufenthaltes einen Pass oder anerkannten Passersatz besitzen und
diesen bei der
Einreise in die Bundesrepublik mitführen, um ihn beim Grenzübertritt
auf Verlangen vorzeigen zu können."
We aren't police.
Again, you are just referring to the basic laws of the constitution
but those don't apply ultimately. There are still laws building on top
of the constitution which can limit them, e.g. police can take away
your freedom in some cases and especially in Germany, freedom of speech
is also not unlimited. Plus, your insurance company will want to have
a word with you as
They haven't in the (admittedly fairly short) time I've been involved
in orga.
And as Karen Sandler pointed out there's no such thing as
'anonymized' data.
There is also no such thing as ultimate privacy.
Then why not do our best to protect attendees privacy as much as
possible :).
Taowa
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