Steve Greenland wrote:
And yes, community standards can and do change. But they don't get changed by people whining about them; they get changed by the membersbehaving differently.
ACK.This standard of a community can be different to that, what individuals would expect. As a result the activity of a community can grow or decrease - in quantity and/or quality.
Let's focus on devel@ of Open Source (OSS) projects. I would not expect developers to be smart communicators.Personally I can accept a "silly" as answer if it is followed by a "because of $fact", or a "this $solution is IMHO better". Hard discussion are sometimes necessary to get major progress.
For me OSS implies "open for cooperation" as a requirement to step forward. This means open for new contributors, for new ideas, and minimal social, organizational and technical barriers.
Not my intention at all. I was trying to make an observation about the general character of the debian-devel community. Of course there are exceptions, and a complete range of behaviours.
My few attempts to step into debian as a contributor ended after some hours of senseless discussions or waste of time against unnecessary barriers. Compared against average OSS, or OSS where I contribute, debian seems to be on the bad side - IMHO.
Helmut Wollmersdorfer