Re: release update and branching
On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 12:31:43AM -0500, martin yazdzik wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> THe question I would like to have had answered, to wit, is the dual boot
> disk geometry problem solved, has been. Thanks.
>
> For the record, when using 2.6 to boot the cd, one sees that no matter
> what, when checking the c,h,s before committing to the formatting, it
> remains x,16,63, in rc2.
>
> It rather sounds to me from the exchange herein as were the coders
> either amused at the pain they will inflict upon the unsuspecting, or
> willing to release an installer which they know full well will cost
> hundreds of people thousands of hours simply because non-coders are
> somehow less than human. This issue has been discussed since at least
Ah, no, it is just part of a master plan to have people get ride of windows :)
No, seriously, it is not that, but the CHS issue is less than evident to
solve, as i believe in particular that it is linked with the various hacks
that were done back then to break the 528MB barrier.
> June. At the moment, neither Ubuntu nor Debian can be installed on a
> non LBA bios to dual boot with a pre-existing windows installation using
> the ntloader.
Can you do an install without touching the partition table, and then try the
experimental version of parted, and see if it fixes your issue ? The packages
are :
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/parted/parted_1.6.19-0.exp.1_i386.deb
and :
ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/parted/libparted1.6-12_1.6.19-0.exp.1_i386.deb
> As recently as yesterday, the issue came up in the DSLReports unix
> forum, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12006676~mode=flat.
>
> While no one respects the work here more than I, there is a lingering
> prejudice that non-coders do not count. So, the d-i sort of works. I
> have checked every week or so, getting as far as the partitioning, and,
> when I see xxxxx.16.63, stop, as I know the result.
Well, windows made a mess of it, they should pay by getting erased :)
Seriously again, i think the issues are more involved than that
> That is is silly that many notebook manufacturers use the
> non-user-changeable Phoenix bios, or that windows uses the legacy
> interrupts, &c, may be well true, but there has to be a solution before
> the final, in my opinion. Obviously, the opinion of non-hackers is also
> taken to be irrelevant, since the attitude has become more and more that
> the only valid use of human intelligence is coding, and those who choose
> to be lawyers, or musicians, or physicians who merely want to use debian
> as they would windows must be somehow mentally deficient. We are not,
> and actually understand the problem rather well.
Please calm done a bit, and help test the above packages.
> Therefore, I will admit my sheer stupidity and ask if someone could
> explain to the village idiot why one cannot simply prepare the free
> space, have the d-i format the free space without touching the partition
This is absolutely no problem. i believe you have to do manual partitioning in
partman, chose the partitions you want to use, and select them for root, swap,
etc. Notice that on my pegasos box, which uses amiga partition tables, i have
no such stupid CHS problems, and me lacking x86 hardware, it makes it a bit
difficult for me to play with these issues. You are welcome to help out in the
maintenance of the parted package, it is well known that i have asked for help
on this since a while. Also, it is not known that the trunk version of parted
does fix 100% of those cases, but it fixes more than the version currently in
sarge/sid.
<Skipped load of other angry stuff>
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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