Re: dpkg-get and closed door development ...
>
> Hi,
>
> Oh great. I really love it when people who do not contribute
> to something come in with demands and start trying to shove the
> people who do the work around.
>
> I am a great believer of if you do not like the product, we
> shall refund what you paid for it.
>
> I never write anything for the bloody ungrateful users. I
> write for me. The users have no rights to my code not spelled out in
> the copyright. You don't like it, you can lump it. Write your
> own. Develop it on usenet for all I care.
>
> I think of no reason we should have to consider anything from
> a rude non-contributor, totally insensitive to the volunteer effort.
I thought about trimming the above, but I can't think of a way that
wouldn't detract from it.
I wonder, should I keep an eye on the maintainer of packages I use, so
I don't accidentally file a bug report against kernel-package, or any
other package maintained by Manoj? After all, I would just be an
ungrateful user, not a developer, and should have no voice in how
Debian is developed an maintained. At least, not until my name
appears in the Holy Keyring and bug reports start getting sent to me.
You and Guy are now both saying that you don't develop packages for
the users, you develop for yourself. That's not entirely true. If
you developed purely for yourself, kernel-package would have been a
tool that sits on your hard-drive, and no one elses. Instead, you
decided to release it to users, let them pound on it, and have, in the
past, graciously responded to users requests and bug reports
(including mine).
And while it may be true that your packages are written for you, I
thought that Deity was being written for users.
What really gets to me is the stirrings of hypocricy I'm seeing.
While Bruce is out claiming open source software is good, while the
developers have stood behind the DSFG, and everyone is publically
endorsing the "Cathedral and Bazarre" article by Eric Raymond, behind
the scenes we have prominant, well-respected developers threatening to
abandon the bazarre and head into the cathedral.
>
> Any move now to change the name from Deity shall definitely
> piss one person off, and that is me (For what that is worth).
For what it's worth, the discussion to change the name wasn't brought
forth by a user, but by Bruce Perens, who, when shoved, cited Ian
Murdock as another person concerned by it. Neither of whom deserve
the level of contempt that is implied by you comments above. But I
don't expect that to matter, since Bruce got attacked with "what have
you done for us lately?", instead of respected.
Although I don't apparantly have the right to comment, I don't think
Deity is a bad name. I think it is in keeping with the traditions in
the Unix Community (as indescribable as those traditions are). I
remember discussions about which Debian package had the most offensive
name, satan, bitchx, or sex. Many Unix commands are slightly cryptic,
"cute", and potentially offensive to those who don't or won't see the
humor in them.
However, the same can be said about most of the other name
suggestions. The only serious contender that I've seen that I would
not be happy with is "trove". I just don't like the way the word
sounds, and it is completely opaque to me.
"Deity" does have some drawbacks. The most important, IMHO, is the
spectre of trojans. Someone mentioned that "mkae" is already a common
trojan, and "diety" will almost certainly become one as well,
especially if deity expands past use by Debian. This is compounded by
the fact that it is usually run as root.
> manoj
> who had not taken a stance on the name untol now
>
> ps: not that I have contributed much to deity; but I do contribute to
> Debian.
Then by your own logic, you should have as much say in Deity as I have
in kernel-package.
I've not heard what Jason's views on the name issue are.
> --
> War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
> degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that
> Nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for
> which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than
> his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of
> being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men
> than himself. John Stewart Mill
> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@acm.org> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/>
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