On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 10:16:32PM +0100, Eduard Bloch scrawled: > * Daniel Stone [Mon, Jan 20 2003, 07:42:02AM]: > > > > They do not ship with an old piece of shit as X (Version 4.1, not > > > supporting any modern video card) while our X maintainer prefered to do > > > so. > > > > I didn't see *YOU* volunteering to fix PCI domains on SPARC, or even > > doing any packaging at all, let alone hacking. I suggest you refrain > > from such preppy, pithy, moronic snipes in future before you do your > > homework, unless you truly believe that i386 is the most important > > It is. So we should do things that advantage i386 users, but severely break users of other architectures? Have a look at www.debian.org: i386 is now officially a "port". The only distinctive feature is that it was the first port. > > architecture in Debian and that nothing else matters. If you support X > > refusing to work at all on SPARC in a release, speak up! Otherwise (and > > this is the most preferable option), shut up. > > If you cannot provide XFree for a certain architecture, but an ancient > version, find a way to detach the development trees. For boot-floppies, > we choose the kernel version that works best for certain architecture. That's because the kernel is relatively small. The kernel image debs come out to a few meg at most. X comes out to a couple of hundred meg. My apple is better than your orange! > For most people, X is as important as the kernel, so I fail to see how I > you can really think that a KEEP-ALL-VERSIONS-EQUAL dogma is better > for our users than working productive environment. Yes, but X is far too big to carry on with all this crap. Branden has a hard enough slog maintaining just maintaining one version, let alone two. I don't think there are many people out there who can produce packages like X to the same quality as Branden, and know X well enough. None of them would volunteer to actually do it, I'm sure. > Oh, I see you calling me a damn moron again, but it's easier than > accepting the truth. Synchronisation problems inside of Debian will > became worse, the number of supported hardware will grow too, so you > won't be able to keep your eyes closed. I'm not trying to keep my eyes closed; au contrare, it seems that you are the one valiantly attempting to do so. Maybe you should come down here to Australia some time. The reason I'm mirror-whoring for my XFree86 4.3 debs at the moment is because we're charged $93/gb for international traffic, and that's *cheap*, because we're a college at a uni. If we weren't a uni, it would be a hell of a lot more for a decent connection. The reality is this: a) it's a pain in the arse for absolutely *NO* gain; b) it's stupid, and will kill mirrors (try thinking outside of Europe/America sometime); c) it's very short-sighted, and only demonstrates that you haven't actually thought about it; d) i386 is just another port. Before you go mentioning the kernel again, and how X is just as important to core operations as the kernel, you probably should take a look at their relative sizes. X: huge, kernel: not quite that big. Maybe you also want to have a look at the XFree86 debian/patches directory. Massive. Daniel, someone who knows what it's like to package XFree86 -- Daniel Stone <dstone@trinity.unimelb.edu.au> Developer, Trinity College, University of Melbourne
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